This never happen to me before--What would you do?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by cmathews

First let me start this by saying I wasn't there so I can't say what is right or wrong ... By rule I would say it should have been a travel, but the Jump ball is hard to argue with. I am with Juulie, the best part of the situation is that you went to your partner to make sure he had all the information he needed....

The ball came loose. A1 lost possession of the ball. It CAN'T be a travel.

[cmathews]

missed a word this morning....need more coffee I guess LOL....it has been edited..

[Scrapper1]

If the ball came loose, how is it a held ball? I have no problem with going to my partner with the information, but I would have gone with the inadvertant whistle and not the arrow.

[Kelvin green]

maybe Right results with the wrong reason....

I think you may have to go with the alternating posssession arrow any way.

If it is determined it was a blocked shot then the ball was released on a try: there is no team control. no team control on an inadvertent whistle and go with arrow....

Now if it is knocked loose before it is a shot, I would go with the inadvertent whistle.... Then you can just give the ball back to the team...I think that is the easiest call

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

If it is determined it was a blocked shot then the ball was released on a try: there is no team control. no team control on an inadvertent whistle and go with arrow....

The whistle blew after A1 had recovered the ball and back on the ground. So Team A had control.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the ball came loose, how is it a held ball? I have no problem with going to my partner with the information, but I would have gone with the inadvertant whistle and not the arrow.

If it's an IW and team control is lost, how is it handled?

I'm interpreting this as a shot attempt, blocked. IW --> no team control --> go to the arrow. Guess it depends on the timing of the decision/whistle.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If the ball came loose, how is it a held ball? I have no problem with going to my partner with the information, but I would have gone with the inadvertant whistle and not the arrow.

First of all I would like to say I am surprised ball all the posts and the different takes on my posts.

I just wanted to address some different points that I have read.

Let me deal with the rule first. According to Rule 4-25-2 if a defender keeps the airborne player from shooting or passing the ball, this is a jump ball. There is also a play in the Simplified and Illustrated Rulebook that shows an example of this on the bottom of page 52. The only thing about my play the defender did not allow the ball to be put above the shooter's head. It was more like the shooter was trying to lift the ball but something kept the ball in place. Now this only took a second but as the shooter was coming down, the ball was loose and then the shooter some how came back to the floor with complete control of the ball. I completely admit that my first thought was IW all the way and as I was running to my partner and when the conversation took place, I realized a jump ball might be an option. Without knowing the status of the arrow, I may have never gone with a jump ball at all. This is why I thought to post this here because I clearly had mixed emotions about what was the right thing to do or not.

The conversation seemed like it took several minutes but probably only was 20 seconds if that. When this was discussed later in the locker room my partner had no problem with what we did and even thought our call was the only call to make based on the information I gave him. So both my partners were OK with the call because I was unsure if that was the thing I should have done. Now in the past I can think of many plays like this were I called a jump ball. I just was caught off guard by the situation because I did not blow my whistle initially and I was trying to make a call right that could not be called a travel with the obviousness of what took place.

Peace

[swkansasref33]

I would have gone AP too... but, I wasnt there, so that may not have been the exact thing I would have done.

[canuckrefguy]

Rut,

Not sure about NFHS rules, but it's my understanding that if a shooter goes up, defender's hand(s) touch the ball, the ball comes loose, and the shooter recovers and returns to the floor - you do not have a prevented release (and then AP) situation, but actually nothing at all.

In this case, then, by rule, your partner indicating an inadvertent whistle would have been the only acceptable outcome.

Having said all that, I really like the way you guys handled it. I do, however, think that only a veteran crew with a lot of credibility could get away with it. Also not sure we want to get in the habit of correcting each others' calls all the time. Missed calls are bad and we need to minimize them....but they are a part of the imperfect world the game is played in.

[refnrev]

I think you nailed it.
1. It was a jump.
2. Your partner could not see the play from his angle.
3. You didn't run in yelling, "I got it, I got it" and try to override him.
4. You all three huddled and came out right.
What more could you ask for?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by refnrev

I think you nailed it.
1. It was a jump.
2. Your partner could not see the play from his angle.
3. You didn't run in yelling, "I got it, I got it" and try to override him.
4. You all three huddled and came out right.
What more could you ask for?

But its not a jump, its a play-on.


PS I think you did the right thing. This was one of those clear calls that needs to be changed and not a judgement call IMO.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

But its not a jump, its a play-on.


PS I think you did the right thing. This was one of those clear calls that needs to be changed and not a judgement call IMO.

......but not to an AP

[armymanjones]

The correct answer is if your partner after hearing your info decides you are right then it is an IW and play on. If he thinks he had a better angle and wants to stick with his call then it is a travel and you go with the call. No AP, no jump ball. Using the AP penalizes the team who loses the arrrow.

[Dan_ref]

Ya know what Jeff? The way I read this I think I would have left it alone, let the T live the call. Top of the key isn't exactly your primary as C.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Ya know what Jeff? The way I read this I think I would have left it alone, let the T live the call. Top of the key isn't exactly your primary as C.

Bingo. We have a winner.