player coming off bench

[sseltser]

That case play nails it I think. In that case, then there wouldn't be an indirect to the coach because he is still a player I'm assuming. Is this right?

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by sseltser

That case play nails it I think. In that case, then there wouldn't be an indirect to the coach because he is still a player I'm assuming. Is this right?

Yep that is right.

[bigdogrunnin]

Watched a JVB game (while waiting for my VB Game) last night where this EXACT situation occurred. Let's just say the officials were not as "on top of it" as you were. Good Call.

[sseltser]

Well I wasn't quite on top of it... I charged the T to the HC but later realized that would only be if the player was DQed. But now I know.

Anybody have an answer to trying to stop the play before this happens either before or after ball becomes live?

[bigdogrunnin]

You can count the players before you inbound the ball. But, hey, we all make mistakes . . . and five is such a big number.

It is the coach's responsibility to keep track of his/her players. Personally, I think you did what you could and what you had to.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

You can count the players before you inbound the ball. But, hey, we all make mistakes . . . and five is such a big number.

It is the coach's responsibility to keep track of his/her players. Personally, I think you did what you could and what you had to.

Raise your hand if you count players when there are no subs going in.

[Nevadaref]

For what happened in your specific situation a player technical foul is required. You did darn well for not knowing the exact rule.

Now if the fifth player had not returned to the floor, I would have allowed play to continue. There is now no penalty in the book for this (since the rule change for leaving the floor). I do wish that the NFHS would issue a clarification or case book play on the situation in which the player does not return.

Lastly, if you can stop the ball from becoming live on the throw-in, I highly recommend doing it. Even if you aren't sure that the team only has four. If you just suspect that there is a problem, it is better to try take care of it during a dead ball and possibly be wrong, than to let the play happen and end up having to call a T that you could have prevented. What's an extra few seconds?