Airball!

[swkansasref33]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wrong.

Second time, call both disconcertion and a team technical for unsporting behavior on the bench. (no indirect to the head coach).

That was really not a fair question. The FED clarified the call in a POE back in the 2001-02 rule book, but never put in a case play or anything that would let people who don't have that book(which would be most officials) know how they wanted it called. The exact wording in the POE was "If persistent or deemed unsporting, the team/player may be penalized with a technical foul."

Wouldn't you charge the T indirectly to the coach? as in the thread I started, I issued a direct T to the player who yelled at me, and I should have also charged it indirectly to the coach. Wouldn't that essentially be the same?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

Wouldn't you charge the T indirectly to the coach? as in the thread I started, I issued a direct T to the player who yelled at me, and I should have also charged it indirectly to the coach. Wouldn't that essentially be the same?

My last response(2:51pm) answers this question, I believe.

[Ignats75]

JR,

The problem is that according to the chart in the back of the Rule Book, ALL Unsporting Bench Technicals are Direct to the offender AND Indirect to the HC.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

JR,

The problem is that according to the chart in the back of the Rule Book, ALL Unsporting Bench Technicals are Direct to the offender AND Indirect to the HC.

Um, yeah, I realize that and have already stated such. That doesn't change the fact that the POE doesn't mention that an indirect "T" should also be charged to the head coach. As I said, it seems logical to me too that the head coach should get one. It might have been left out by mistake, but I don't know that for sure and that's why I didn't add it. I'm just reciting what was actually written in the POE.

I'm the messenger, not the rulesmaker.

[bigdogrunnin]

Yeah, but around here don't they shoot the messengers??

[Ignats75]

All I would say is that I would assume whats in the rule book would take precedent over a POE.

[Old School]

#1.) If the bench says airball! I got no problem with that and neither should you. That's apart of the game.

JR, my question to you. Which do you use, a POE on a newsletter or the rulebook?

NFHS, bench technical counts as a indirect to the coach. Interesting enough, this year in the NCAA, they did away with the indirect technical to the coach, or IMO, they might as well have done away with it. They are saying that Indirect T doesn't count toward ejection which means you might as well not count it at all. However, they changed the definition to now include Bench Technical. Now in this case, in the NCAA, you can not assert a technical foul to the bench, you must give a direct to a player on the bench, and the coach gets a bench technical which does count towards ejection. All indirect technicals to the coach in NCAA no longer count towards ejection. Changed it this year, but didn't hear about it in meetings.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

#1.) If the bench says airball! I got no problem with that and neither should you. That's apart of the game.

This is taunting pure and simple. Let it go in college intramurals, I suppose, if the assigner wants you to.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

JR, my question to you. Which do you use, a POE on a newsletter or the rulebook?

JMO, my answer to you, and I'll go real slow hoping that you might actually comprehend it:


The POE's are IN the rulebook! POE's are issued by the NFHS Rules Committee and they are issued to give officials guidance as to how they want certain rules called. POE's are not issued in newsletters. POE's can be found right after Rule 10 in every rulebook. Whatever is written in a POE is regarded as being a legal ruling of the NFHS rulesmakers.

It's true, it's true......

I know that you probably won't believe me, so how about this? Phone around and see if you can find a real, live high school official who actually owns an NFHS rulebook. Do NOT try to find one in your rec leagues. They don't use them there. If you are lucky enough to find a real, live high school official who owns an NFHS rule book, ask them if they will open the book and show you what a POE actually looks like. Please don't try to find the POE's yourself though. You have to go to work in the morning.

Good luck!

[mplagrow]

Boy, old people sure get cranky! But it was great for a laugh!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

Boy, old people sure get cranky! But it was great for a laugh!

I've seen JR cranky, this isn't even warming up to cranky

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is taunting pure and simple.

No, what's pure and simple is your thin skin. If you give a bench a technical for that, maybe you should be ref'ing rec ball. You must be a women's official.

IMHO, that does not rise to the level of unsporting behavior. If you shoot an airball and the bench says airball, that's a fact! If they go on an on with it, tell them to stop. If the F/T shooter has another shot coming, the bench can not say anything while he is shooting. However, if he misses a 2nd time and the bench says airball, I'm putting the ball in play. We're going the other way.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Old School

No, what's pure and simple is your thin skin. If you give a bench a technical for that, maybe you should be ref'ing rec ball. You must be a women's official.

IMHO, that does not rise to the level of unsporting behavior. If you shoot an airball and the bench says airball, that's a fact! If they go on an on with it, tell them to stop. If the F/T shooter has another shot coming, the bench can not say anything while he is shooting. However, if he misses a 2nd time and the bench says airball, I'm putting the ball in play. We're going the other way.

It's a good thing your opinion only counts when you're working your rec games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

If you give a bench a technical for that, maybe you should be ref'ing rec ball.

Oh, gee, I don't know if I'm ready for that. That sounds dangerous and stuff.

Originally Posted by Old School

IMHO, that does not rise to the level of unsporting behavior. If you shoot an airball and the bench says airball, that's a fact! If they go on an on with it, tell them to stop. If the F/T shooter has another shot coming, the bench can not say anything while he is shooting. However, if he misses a 2nd time and the bench says airball, I'm putting the ball in play. We're going the other way.

I'm not allowing players on the court to do it, and I'm not allowing the bench to do it. The fans can do all they want. Like I said, though, go ahead and ignore it if your intramural assigner wants you to. You might just get that "college" championship game you've been dreaming about. You know, the one between the I Tappa Keggas and the Delta Delta Deltas.