How Long do you hold your stop sign?

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Fonzzy, I think my friend TomeGun will be stopping by this thread.

Sorry but BadNewsRef this means nothing to me please explain.

[JRutledge]

The point he is trying to make (and is joking about), some of us feel that you should not use this signal at all. I am one of those people that do not believe in that signal for the most part. I feel you should be able to convey the same thing with a quick word and no one knows you did it. Then when nothing happens, no one even realizes there was a problem. Now that is me, I do not need public displays to tell a coach to knock it off.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The point he is trying to make (and is joking about), some of us feel that you should not use this signal at all. I am one of those people that do not believe in that signal for the most part.

That is why I would have held the stop sign for ZERO seconds.

[Raymond]

I've used the stop sign only one time on a coach.

Wanna know what happened? I had to give him a Tech 5 seconds later. (it might not even have been 5 seconds)

My stop signs are verbal. "Coach, that's enough", "Coach, I hear you", "Coach, that play has nothing to do with the last play".

[Jurassic Referee]

My take on stop signs......

They're fine for some situations, not all situations. However, if used they are a final warning. Someone had better cease and desist immediately or the "T" should be given, also immediately. You sureasheck don't hold one for 7-8 seconds while a coach continues to jabber at you. You also sureasheck don't use it multi times on the same person. That's just repeating your warning while not doing anything about it. A stop sign is just the non-verbal way to say "that's enough"-- and mean it.

In other situations, an immediate "T" might be necessary with no warning, stop sign, etc involved. That depends on the circumstances and the individual tolerance level of the official(sometimes- other times are no-brainers). It certainly is never a given that a stop sign or any warning must precede a technical foul.

Jmo, while acknowledging that there are different ways to control a game. However, if you aren't following up immediately on your stop-signs, you ain't controlling the game-also imo.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It certainly is never a given that a stop sign or any warning must precede a technical foul.

Thank you for posting this.

[Junker]

In this scenario, I'm not sure they would get the luxury of a stop sign. You have one coach stomping and others chiming in. A nice T on the bench would be in order here to me. I'll post about my T last night here in a bit.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by Junker

In this scenario, I'm not sure they would get the luxury of a stop sign. You have one coach stomping and others chiming in. A nice T on the bench would be in order here to me. I'll post about my T last night here in a bit.

The NCHSSA director made it very clear this year, that officials are not to tolorate assistant coaches in any way, shape, or form. He let it be known that "assistants" are to sit on there "***" and be quiet. He stated that the assistants are bench personnel treated exactly like the players that are sitting on the bench. The head coach is 100% responsible for the actions of bench personnel. If the bench (players or coaches) can not behave, then the head coach shall pay for it with a loss of his coaching box.

So in the situation mentioned in this thread, if an assistant coach was making any "noise" toward an official, he should be asessed the T as soon as possible. The stop sign is always a good warning for a head coach. An assistant does not deserve that same privilage.

[Ref Daddy]

The Stop sign is avisual communication tool.

It should be held as long as needed to get the point across to the Coach.

Look for a positve reaction from the Caoch that the message is recieved and acknowledged.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

In other situations, an immediate "T" might be necessary with no warning, stop sign, etc involved. That depends on the circumstances and the individual tolerance level of the official(sometimes- other times are no-brainers). It certainly is never a given that a stop sign or any warning must precede a technical foul.

Agreed. And for those who might be concerned about depriving the other team of a chance to score when you call a "T": remember, that team now gets two free throws AND the ball back. This concern seems to misprioritize game play over game management, at least in some cases.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Agreed. And for those who might be concerned about depriving the other team of a chance to score when you call a "T": remember, that team now gets two free throws AND the ball back. This concern seems to misprioritize game play over game management, at least in some cases.

This doesn't apply here since it sounds like one team was running an offense, but remember if you have a fast break situation with an unsporting T, you hold you whistle until after the score. I booted this one earlier in my career. I just thought I'd throw that one out there.

[Jway44]

We were actually discussing this situation at a game last night. One of our senior officials who also works the college game reminded us that no matter how bad he is behaving, if you are going to T a coach, always wait until his team has the ball. It just adds a little more insult to the situation. I had never really thought about it, but that is a good idea.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jway44

We were actually discussing this situation at a game last night. One of our senior officials who also works the college game reminded us that no matter how bad he is behaving, if you are going to T a coach, always wait until his team has the ball. It just adds a little more insult to the situation. I had never really thought about it, but that is a good idea.

Can't figure out what additional insult this brings, under ncaa he gets the ball back anyway after the free throws. Also injects a bit of "this is personal" into a process that should be "all business". FWIW.

If you need to T a coach just go ahead and T him.

[Jway44]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Can't figure out what additional insult this brings, under ncaa he gets the ball back anyway after the free throws. Also injects a bit of "this is personal" into a process that should be "all business". FWIW.

If you need to T a coach just go ahead and T him.

This was High School situation, so 2 shots and the ball to the other team. Threrefore you have taken the ball from the offending team, given the other team 2 shots and the ball. There is nothing "personal" about it. Just hold you whistle until his team has possesion. If he is angry enough to deserve a T, then the couple of extra seconds that you hold your whistle will not make any difference, and it may show that you gave him a little longer to calm himself down even though you have already made up your mind to give him the T.