Missed FT Violation - FYI

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I agree. If you don't say anything to her, the next ref team may just call it and she's going to be awfully confused as to the ruling. And, if after warning her you don't call it, then she's not learning anything.

I also agree. There are far too many cases where rules have been written (such as this one) and referees, who are there to administer these rules, choose to ignore things they don't agree with, don't feel causes a disadvantage, or for some other strange reason other than not seeing it or not knowing the rule, choose not to call.

Here's a good example - A violates the throwin on the baseline after a made basket by team B. No press, no one except a teammate within a mile, and therefore, no "advantage" gained or lost. Ignore it? I think not.

The rules are there - and our job is to keep the players safe and adminitster those rules - not rewrite them as we see fit based on what we "think" should be called.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

I also agree. There are far too many cases where rules have been written (such as this one) and referees, who are there to administer these rules, choose to ignore things they don't agree with, don't feel causes a disadvantage, or for some other strange reason other than not seeing it or not knowing the rule, choose not to call.

Here's a good example - A violates the throwin on the baseline after a made basket by team B. No press, no one except a teammate within a mile, and therefore, no "advantage" gained or lost. Ignore it? I think not.

The rules are there - and our job is to keep the players safe and adminitster those rules - not rewrite them as we see fit based on what we "think" should be called.

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[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

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Sorry - that happens when you are typing on your phone and miss a key or get an extra one. The substance of the message I wrote is a bit more important than the misspelling of one word.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Sorry - that happens when you are typing on your phone and miss a key or get an extra one. The substance of the message I wrote is a bit more important than the misspelling of one word.

I suggest using your keyboard to type instead of your phone.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

I also agree. There are far too many cases where rules have been written (such as this one) and referees, who are there to administer these rules, choose to ignore things they don't agree with, don't feel causes a disadvantage, or for some other strange reason other than not seeing it or not knowing the rule, choose not to call.

Agreed, but we must also call by the intent of the rule. Since the intent isn't always known, it becomes a tough line to walk.

In the OP, I think the intent is to prevent (a) the running / jumping layup / dunk and (b) the easy rebound by the shooter. Since neither of those things is happening during the pre-shot ritual described, I would be unlikely to call it.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed, but we must also call by the intent of the rule. Since the intent isn't always known, it becomes a tough line to walk.

In the OP, I think the intent is to prevent (a) the running / jumping layup / dunk and (b) the easy rebound by the shooter. Since neither of those things is happening during the pre-shot ritual described, I would be unlikely to call it.

But I have always said that you have to be careful to not read into the "intent" of the rulemakers, since we have seen major problems with our constitution when we have battles between literal interpretations and trying to figure the intent of those rules.

My opinion - if the rule says this... do this. End of story. Otherwise, why have rules? If it wasn't something that needed to be addressed, it would not have been put in there. The rulemakers are not perfect - look at the Technical foul for going out of bounds changing back to a violation, because everyone felt it was too strict. However, some of these rules have been around forever, and some have been points of emphasis because too many people choose NOT to administer them, leading to a degradation of the game.

No, a preshot ritual which involves putting a foot outside the line before shooting probably doesn't gain an advantage. But I guarantee the first time you call it, it will make the player adjust their play to within the rules, or at least begin to do so, and isn't that our job? Keep the players safe, and administer the rules.

(and yes, I spell-checked!)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

My opinion - if the rule says this... do this. End of story.

From the rules book: "Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation."

It's a conundrum. Sometimes I say "apply what's written", sometimes I say "apply the intent." In this example, I choose the latter. :shrug: