OT: Wow (BCS Championship)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And what will that create....the number 5 team complaining that they should have been in!

Boise St. still wouldn't have been in a 4 team playoff or probably even an 8 team playoff.

Unless you go so deep that the first one not in knows they couldn't have possibly won it, you'll always have a what-if. How deep is that....16 at a minimum, 32 might be justifiable, 64 to be certain. Maybe each conference gets to send one?? The question then becomes, is that what the schools really want? Except for 1 or two, all of them are pretty happy with the bowl system. They get more money, half of them end their seasons with a bowl victory against what is usually a somewhat comparabe opponent.

I think a playoff would lead to some freak upsets and teams that no one really thinks are the best will end up winning championships. The best teams would sometimes get beat by a longshot who then goes down big in the next game. It's not like basketball. In football, 1 or 2 key plays burries a team in a big hole where in basketball, each possession starts out more-or-less the same....even if you get behind 3-4 scores.

OK, Camron, you're starting to sound Old School when it comes to this subject. Don't have a play-off b/c somebody might suffer a freak, upset loss?
Where's is the logic in that statement?

So doesn't it mean it's possible for there to be an upset in the SEC championship game? If that happens, should the upset be ignored and the better team still represent the SEC in the BCS?

[Camron Rust]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I'm opposed to a playoff. I'm saying it will not solve the issues that exist. It will only move them around.

And, that a game that can often have as little as 1 score (and often only has 3-5) by both teams combined is far more likely to have fluke upsets than games with 70+ scores per game....where the statisitical probablilties are more likely to produce a winner that is the better team.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I'm opposed to a playoff. I'm saying it will not solve the issues that exist. It will only move them around.

And, that a game that can often have as little as 1 score (and often only has 3-5) by both teams combined is far more likely to have fluke upsets than games with 70+ scores per game....where the statisitical probablilties are more likely to produce a winner that is the better team.

You mean like the....um....NCAA basketball playoffs? A lot of statistical probabilities have gone right down the dumper in the first two rounds. And the public loves it.

Playoffs work for them.

And don't bring up what happened to my beloved Yankees in the playoffs the last few years....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You mean like the....um....NCAA basketball playoffs? A lot of statistical probabilities have gone right down the dumper in the first two rounds. And the public loves it.

Playoffs work for them.

And don't bring up what happened to my beloved Yankees in the playoffs the last few years....

I generally like playoffs. I just don't they'll solve the problems as completely as the proponents claim or would like.

No matter what practical number you chose, someone is going to feel that were unfairly left out. A lot will whine about the seeding....just like basketball. How many times, due to the bracket ordering, has the "real" championship game been in the semis...you know...the two teams people really think are the best?

Football is just more likely to have more upsets than basketball due to the few number of scores in any given game.

No worry on the Yankees front, I couldn't care less about them or baseball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No worry on the Yankees front, I couldn't care less about them or baseball.

Did you mean to say that you could care less about baseball.....or did you really mean to say that you love the Yankees?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Did you mean to say that you could care less about baseball.....or did you really mean to say that you love the Yankees?

Hard to read his mind, but the proper usage of that expression is couldn't care less, denoting that one cares so little that it's impossible to care any less.

A noble sentiment, or lack thereof, concerning the Bronx Bombers.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A lot will whine about the seeding....just like basketball. How many times, due to the bracket ordering, has the "real" championship game been in the semis...you know...the two teams people really think are the best?

This is because the tournament committee always makes things easier for Duke.

Additionally, it is ridiculous to have all these games after New Year's.

[Raymond]

Look at his left leg.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And, that a game that can often have as little as 1 score (and often only has 3-5) by both teams combined is far more likely to have fluke upsets than games with 70+ scores per game....where the statisitical probablilties are more likely to produce a winner that is the better team.

There is a perfectly serviceable word to describe the team that gets beat in a fluke game during the playoffs: LOSER. Baseball and basketball lend themselves nicely to best-of-seven serieses and eliminate, to a large degree, the fluke factor. Football is an entirely different animal. You've got one shot to beat the other team, and if you're really the better team, you'll find a way to get it done. If not, you're not really the better team. Any whining to the contrary is just coulda, shoulda, wouldas.

[Jimgolf]

The old system was fine. The Rose Bowl is now an after-thought, when it used to be the biggest game of the year. The other bowl games have sold out to sponsors.

In 2010 they will probably have the Playtex Cross-Your-Heart Bowl and the Trojan-Enz Bowl added as the Semi-final games and the Listerine Mint Fresh Bowl for the national championship. Is that what we want?

Why do we need to have playoffs? Isn't the debate about which team is best half of the fun?

Is Florida really the best team in the country? Ask the Auburn players who's better.

People today can't stand to have anything unsettled. Too much effort, I guess.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Isn't the debate about which team is best half of the fun?

No, honestly. It's not fun. It's a stupid debate. It's so obvious that a playoff system would be better than the current system that the debate isn't fun. It simply points out the closed-mindedness (or greed) of the big-wigs that are opposed to it. There's not a single good reason for NOT having a championship settled on the field; as it is in every other NCAA sport in every other NCAA division.

I'd much rather leave a borderline team out of an 8- or 16-team field, than to leave a deserving team out of a 2-team field.

[Adam]

Why is the debate between perfection and the status quo? Just because a playoff wouldn't be perfect doesn't mean it wouldn't be a huge improvement over the current mess.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It's so obvious that a playoff system would be better than the current system that the debate isn't fun. It simply points out the closed-mindedness (or greed) of the big-wigs that are opposed to it. There's not a single good reason for NOT having a championship settled on the field; as it is in every other NCAA sport in every other NCAA division.

Obviously the people who run things disagree with you, for *whatever* reason (and yes, last I heard "making money" remains a legal and valid reason in most if not all 50 states).

If they agreed with you they would do in January for ncaa d1 football what they do in March for ncaa d1 basketball.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Obviously the people who run things disagree with you

Obviously. Doesn't mean they're right.

If they agreed with you they would do in January for ncaa d1 football what they do in March for ncaa d1 basketball.

And for NCAA D2 football, and for NCAA D3 football, and for every other NCAA sport in every NCAA division.

If a BCS winner is such a great idea, why don't they do it any other sport? It's so obvious, it's ridiculous.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

No, honestly. It's not fun. It's a stupid debate. It's so obvious that a playoff system would be better than the current system that the debate isn't fun.

Many people think that one game determines which team is the best. All that a one game championship proves is that this team was better on this day. This is just as arbitrary as a vote, but doesn't require any brain cells.

When the UPI and AP often had differing opinions for the national champion, it sparked debate that made for interest in the various bowl games.

When you put in playoffs, it cheapens the meaning of the regular season accomplishments, to the absurd point that winning a league championship no longer matters. Last season, the NY Islanders hockey team had a chance to win their Division by winning their final game, but the "experts" were saying they should lose on purpose so they'd get an easier first round playoff opponent.

Don't let this happen to college football.