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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:28am
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Saw an interesting play some time back. What would you have called? A is in a fast break. A5 puts up a shot in the paint from about 8 feet. While ball was in the air, B12 jumps up from about the last block and slaps the backboard. Not really an attempt to block or at best a very bad attempt... just a slap. What would you have called?
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:38am
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This is why we get paid the big bucks. It is hard to tell by your description what really was happening. But if the slap had nothing to do with a block, then call the T.

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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 02:13am
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A play similar to this seems to happen to me every night.

If the defender is making a legitimate attempt - in the official's judgement - to block the shot ... play on. If not, it's a T.

The next part to this is always if the ball is IN the cylinder. You could have BI or again ... nothing and play on.

Am I correct veteran oficials?
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 02:25am
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How do you have BI? The backboard is not part of the basket. It's a T or nothing.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 02:35am
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A play similar to this seems to happen to me every night.

If the defender is making a legitimate attempt - in the official's judgement - to block the shot ... play on. If not, it's a T.

The next part to this is always if the ball is IN the cylinder. You could have BI or again ... nothing and play on.

Am I correct veteran oficials?
You are correct, I got confused and always seem to when discussing this type of play. If the ball is in the cylinder and the slapping of the backboard causes the try to miss. It is a Tech and the try is no good. No BI. Only BI if the player hits rim or net, correct?
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 02:52am
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Only BI if the player hits rim or net, correct?
It's BI if a player from either team hits the rim/net while the ball is on or within the basket or if they touch the ball while it is in the cone over the basket.

GT is hitting the ball on the way down above the basket ring when the shot has a chance to go in. GT also applies after the ball leaves a FT shooter's hands while it is still outside the cylinder, but it also only applies to an opponent of the FT shooter.
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It's BI if a player from either team hits the rim/net while the ball is on or within the basket or if they touch the ball while it is in the cone over the basket.
Is that the cone of verticality?
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 10:18am
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Is that the cone of verticality?
You're up early this morning Juulie.....

Personally I like "the cone of silence" (from an old TV sitcom)
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 11:13am
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You're up early this morning Juulie.....

Personally I like "the cone of silence" (from an old TV sitcom)
When it comes to wimmen, so do I......
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 11:20am
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If the ball is in the cylinder and the slapping of the backboard causes the try to miss. It is a Tech and the try is no good.
Got a rule reference on that one?
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 11:32am
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Good responses. In the game I watched all three whistles remained silent. I've worked with these guys and watched them for years. These were three GOOD guys. I didn't get to talk to them after the game so I can only surmise that either they felt it was a bad but legitimate attempt to block or that the slap, which wasn't very hard didntt shake the basket or have an impact upon the shot. My instinct tells me #1.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 01:06pm
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The impact on the shot shouldn't matter, by rule. If the slap is a legimate attempt at a block, it's not a tech no matter what the shot does. If the shot is not a legitimate block attempt, it is a tech no matter what the shot does.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 02:42pm
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It's BI if a player from either team hits the rim/net while the ball is on or within the basket or if they touch the ball while it is in the cone over the basket.
A cone needs to come to a point, so I don't think it applies to the BI rule. - Mr. Annoying Geometry Guy.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 04:18pm
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A cone needs to come to a point, so I don't think it applies to the BI rule. - Mr. Annoying Geometry Guy.
Oh.....

I get the concept now.

A cylinder is like Dilbert's head.

A cone is like your head.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Dexter. I just nominated you for Teacher of the Year.
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