T the Varsity coach

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

IMO, he made himself part of the JV staff when he played the "I'm the Varsity Head Coach card." He was trying to use his "staff" authority to influence the officials. Just my 2 cents.

How can he make himself part of the JV staff by saying he's NOT part of the JV staff? He just told you he was on the Varsity staff, not the JV staff, didn't he?

Sure, he was trying to use his school affiliation to try and intimidate the officials. That school affiliation doesn't make him part of the JV team, though. He still has to be treated as a "fan" rules-wise. He wasn't on the bench, which means that he sureasheck can't logically be defined as being "bench personnel" under rule 4-34-2. And "bench personnel" in that rule specifically includes "coaches".

Btw, if you did make the mistake of "T"ing up the Varsity coach coming out of the stands using your logic, you are aware also that you then have to give the JV head coach an indirect "T" too, I hope. The JV head coach is responsible for all "bench personnel" as per rule 10-4. If that indirect technical foul is the one that then puts the JV coach over his limit and gets him tossed, I wanna be there when you try and justify that ejection also.

Never do what can't be explained logically in a post-game report.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How can he make himself part of the JV staff by saying he's NOT part of the JV staff? He just told you he was on the Varsity staff, not the JV staff, didn't he?

Sure, he was trying to use his school affiliation to try and intimidate the officials. That school affiliation doesn't make him part of the JV team, though. He still has to be treated as a "fan" rules-wise. He wasn't on the bench, which means that he sureasheck can't logically be defined as being "bench personnel" under rule 4-34-2. And "bench personnel" in that rule specifically includes "coaches".

Btw, if you did make the mistake of "T"ing up the Varsity coach coming out of the stands using your logic, you are aware also that you then have to give the JV head coach an indirect "T" too, I hope. The JV head coach is responsible for all "bench personnel" as per rule 10-4. If that indirect technical foul is the one that then puts the JV coach over his limit and gets him tossed, I wanna be there when you try and justify that ejection also.

Never do what can't be explained logically in a post-game report.

Please hear me out, when the V head coach walks to the edge of the court and yells at the official or demands an explaination (which he is not due because he's a fan) and then he rants about how he is due an explaination because he's the V head coach....he is inserting himself as staff. I really don't care where he started out from, I know where he is at and how he is trying to influence the official. He knows good and well that he has not only crossed the line but ran right thru it and he's due whatever he gets.

In my most non-arguementative tone; would you take that action from a fan? What would you have done to that fan who did this action? Then maybe the better thing to do is have this fan/coach removed from the gym for the evening.

To answer your question about if this T was enough to have the JV coach ejected......I think that AD's got a long season ahead of him if the JV coach is so unsportsmanlike to be near ejection and then the V coach is also acting like this. Hmmmmm, my kid would not play for those coaches.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

Please hear me out, when the V head coach walks to the edge of the court and yells at the official or demands an explaination (which he is not due because he's a fan) and then he rants about how he is due an explaination because he's the V head coach....he is inserting himself as staff. I really don't care where he started out from, I know where he is at and how he is trying to influence the official. He knows good and well that he has not only crossed the line but ran right thru it and he's due whatever he gets.

I feel that your suggestion of simply having him removed from the gym is your best option. Report it to your state/assignor, and if they choose to equate it with an ejection, then they can apply the appropriate penalties.

In my case, the only reason I assessed a flagrant T was because the varsity coach was standing at the bench along with the freshman coach. At that point, he was most certainly bench personnel and under the jurisdiction of the freshman coach.

One other reason to be careful of T-ing up anyone who claims to be the varsity coach - what if he's lying? What if it's just a fan of the opposing team trying to get two shots awarded?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

Please hear me out, when the V head coach walks to the edge of the court and yells at the official or demands an explaination (which he is not due because he's a fan) and then he rants about how he is due an explaination because he's the V head coach....he is inserting himself as staff. I really don't care where he started out from, I know where he is at and how he is trying to influence the official. He knows good and well that he has not only crossed the line but ran right thru it and he's due whatever he gets.

In my most non-arguementative tone; would you take that action from a fan? What would you have done to that fan who did this action? Then maybe the better thing to do is have this fan/coach removed from the gym for the evening.

No, I wouldn't take that from as fan. Or from someone stating that he was the Varsity head coach either. If he doesn't back off, then he's going in the parking lot. And if he refuses to go in the parking lot, I'm suspending the JV game.

I've already stated all that above.

What I won't do, because there is absolutely NO rules backing to do so, is penalize that "fan" as being part of the JV coaching staff. He might be "inserting himself as staff", but that doesn't make him a JV coach, and you can't penalize him as such, rules-wise.

Again, never do what can't be explained logically or can't be justified by the rules. And trying to morph a fan coming out of the stands into a bench coach fails both of those tests imo.