Update: Varsity Coach on JV Bench

Rookie · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 08:44am

A couple of weeks ago, I posted a question about what to do if a Varsity Coach was on the bench during the JV game and was yacking away the whole game. Last Friday was my first trip back to their gym, since then. I informed my partner of the my history with the team (timer issues also). Anywhoo, the V Coach is standing behind the JV bench just howling away at me, near the end of the first quarter, I tell the JV coach, that he is the only coach I want to hear from all game. The beginning of the second quarter while play was going on near the home bench the V Coach, pointed out about 3 or 4 calls I missed in a 3 second span (push, 3 seconds, and a travel). The ball goes out of bounds and he continues to chew on my ear, I turn around, give the stop sign and say "Coach, I've heard enough from you." 2 seconds into my throw-in count, he generously pointed out some more violations that I overlooked, WHACK. I told the JV coach he had his seatbelt on and the V coach watched the rest of the game from the stands, by choice.

After the game, I heard the JV coach tell my partner that is the first time the V coach ever got rung up for his antics.

Slider · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 10:26am

Good Job Rook!!!!

devdog69 · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 10:35am

Way to sack up and nail him rook. This is a pet peeve of mine, so far I haven't had to actually give any technicals, but I have given plenty of warnings for it. I usually go to the JV coach and say loud enough for the varsity coach to hear "coach, you need to keep your assistant under control, I don't want to hear from them in this game". I usually get glared at, for some reason they don't like being called assistant's.

Brian Watson · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 10:41am

Since he was behind the bench, why T the team and not just chuck him from the gym? Either solution works, I just hate penalizing kids for something not directly related to them (Ie he's not on the bench, so he must be a fan).

I know we beat this horse a few weeks ago, but unless he is actually on the bench, I would be inclined to just have him escorted.

Bart Tyson · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 10:41am

Great job, I would bet the JV coach was glad you Whacked the V coach.

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 11:08am

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Originally posted by Brian Watson
Since he was behind the bench, why T the team and not just chuck him from the gym? Either solution works, I just hate penalizing kids for something not directly related to them (Ie he's not on the bench, so he must be a fan).

I know we beat this horse a few weeks ago, but unless he is actually on the bench, I would be inclined to just have him escorted.

As I may have posted earlier, we've been told to handle it this way. He's the varsity coach and he's part of the basketball program at the school. He had two warnings, which is more than I would have given him. He is not a fan.

Nice job, Rookie. You realize you'll have to change your name soon!

Don in MN · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 12:34pm

Worked a JV girls' game last week. My partner was scheduled to do both the JV and varsity game; I was filling in on the JV game only for another guy who was going to work the varsity game.

Anyway, early in the fourth quarter during a full timeout, the visiting varsity coach starts yelling at my partner about a series of calls against his JV team. He wasn't sitting directly on the JV bench, but in the front row of the bleachers (the bench was the front row) and down by the baseline.

My partner yelled back at the coach, "Coach your own game, not this one."

Didn't stop the yelling from the varsity coach, but it gave me a good chuckle and some good discussion in the locker room between games....wish I would have stuck around for the varsity game to see if anything happened.

paulis · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 01:58pm

Tecnical fouls can be a wonderful tool to stopping behavior which is distracting or pissing you off. I get a kick out of officials who say they hardly ever if at all throw out a T. In my book, this probably means they take far too much crap than they need to or should. I am now saying to start calling them right away and often. Simply to use them to make things better. Basketball coaches are lucky in this regard. A T can have little (2 points) to no negative consequence. In baseball, managers do not have this luxury. Technical fouls are our way of quieting (hopefully) a coach with minimal consequence to the team.

I worked a game a couple of weeks ago with one of those officials who throws out T's extremely judiciously. I had just whacked the coach and asked my partner to tell the offended coach why and the bit about losing the box. As I turn and walk away I hear the coach erupting and wait and wait and wait for my partner to finish the job. Nothing. So I have to eject him from half the court away.

Maybe we need to look at more precise wordage in the rules book about when to T. This might make us appear more consistent in dealing with coaches.

Brian Watson · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 02:16pm

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Originally posted by paulis
Tecnical fouls can be a wonderful tool to stopping behavior which is distracting or pissing you off. I get a kick out of officials who say they hardly ever if at all throw out a T. In my book, this probably means they take far too much crap than they need to or should. I am now saying to start calling them right away and often. Simply to use them to make things better. Basketball coaches are lucky in this regard. A T can have little (2 points) to no negative consequence. In baseball, managers do not have this luxury. Technical fouls are our way of quieting (hopefully) a coach with minimal consequence to the team.

I worked a game a couple of weeks ago with one of those officials who throws out T's extremely judiciously. I had just whacked the coach and asked my partner to tell the offended coach why and the bit about losing the box. As I turn and walk away I hear the coach erupting and wait and wait and wait for my partner to finish the job. Nothing. So I have to eject him from half the court away.

Maybe we need to look at more precise wordage in the rules book about when to T. This might make us appear more consistent in dealing with coaches.

I am all for taking care of business, I probably thorw more T than others. My point was, will wacking someone not on the bench help or hurt? In this case it was the right call and helped. My earlier point goes back to the axiom that you only issue a T to help the game. I think in some situations wacking someone not on the bench, even if it is the coach of the Varsity team, might not help the game. I totally agree that this situation needs to be addressed, but me, personally, I might not drop a T. I would probably have him escorted out. What happens if one isn't enough? Do you give him one or two or three more if he keeps it up? Remember, he is not limited to two before getting the door, he is not part of the team this game. I think if you just remove him, you ensure the situation is contained.

paulis · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 02:30pm

Coaches who get ejected from a contest obviously have to miss the remainer of that game as well as the next contest. If it happens that a coach gets ejected two or more times in a season, he has a lot of explaining to do to his principal, A.D. and then some (at least where I work in SoCal). Of the 6 teams in one of our local leagues, 4 of the coaches (girls varsity) have now been ejected from games this year. I know the A.D. at one of the schools and there are plans to seriously address this issue with coaches in hopes of putting this to an end. Coaches usually do not mind getting a T but do not like the extra-curricular activities associated with an ejection.

Brian Watson · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 28, 2002, 02:51pm

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Originally posted by paulis
Coaches who get ejected from a contest obviously have to miss the remainer of that game as well as the next contest. If it happens that a coach gets ejected two or more times in a season, he has a lot of explaining to do to his principal, A.D. and then some (at least where I work in SoCal). Of the 6 teams in one of our local leagues, 4 of the coaches (girls varsity) have now been ejected from games this year. I know the A.D. at one of the schools and there are plans to seriously address this issue with coaches in hopes of putting this to an end. Coaches usually do not mind getting a T but do not like the extra-curricular activities associated with an ejection.

What I am talking about is not an "ejection" by rule book terms. Granted, I would love to see host management bar them from their game like any other fan, but asking a non-participant to leave is not an ejection that should require paperwork.