Time Out for Injury

[nukewhistle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

nuke --

I'm not sure what you're asking. If A takes a time out to keep the player in, and then the sub comes in prior to the first horn anyway, it's legal, as long as the sub takes the shots, and then A1 can't return until the next dead ball/clock stoppage. Does that cover it?

This was a close girls varsity game late in the 4th qtr./10 team foul bonus in effect so the A team coach replaced the injured A1 player with a substitute during the time out requested after the foul/injury. I believe the coach wanted a substitute better free thrower. My partner the Ref would not allow the substitution that I allowed. It didn't seem right so that's why I'm asking the experts here.

Thanks

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by nukewhistle

This was a close girls varsity game late in the 4th qtr./10 team foul bonus in effect so the A team coach replaced the injured A1 player with a substitute during the time out requested after the foul/injury. I believe the coach wanted a substitute better free thrower. My partner the Ref would not allow the substitution that I allowed. It didn't seem right so that's why I'm asking the experts here.

Thanks

So if the player is no longer injured at the end of the time-out and is ready to play, then your partner was right and that player takes the FTs. If A1 is unable to play due to the earlier injury, then the coach may substitute for the player and the substitute takes the FTs. In that case, you would be correct.

Unfortunately, there is a tremendous potential for abuse of this rule at the NFHS and NCAA levels.
The NBA insists that the player who was fouled attempt the FT, if a substitute must enter and take the shots then the original player is out for the remainder of the game.

[nukewhistle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So if the player is no longer injured at the end of the time-out and is ready to play, then your partner was right and that player takes the FTs. If A1 is unable to play due to the earlier injury, then the coach may substitute for the player and the substitute takes the FTs. In that case, you would be correct.

Unfortunately, there is a tremendous potential for abuse of this rule at the NFHS and NCAA levels.
The NBA insists that the player who was fouled attempt the FT, if a substitute must enter and take the shots then the original player is out for the remainder of the game.

So who is the judge of "the player is no longer injured"? The ref and/or umpire? The coach? What if the injured player passes out at the free throw line?

The NBA rule should be the high school rule.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by nukewhistle

So who is the judge of "the player is no longer injured"? The ref and/or umpire? The coach? What if the injured player passes out at the free throw line?

The NBA rule should be the high school rule.

I agree, and that is why I wrote that there is "tremendous potential for abuse."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by nukewhistle

This was a close girls varsity game late in the 4th qtr./10 team foul bonus in effect so the A team coach replaced the injured A1 player with a substitute during the time out requested after the foul/injury. I believe the coach wanted a substitute better free thrower. My partner the Ref would not allow the substitution that I allowed. It didn't seem right so that's why I'm asking the experts here.

Thanks

I'm allowing this, for no other reason than to avoid liability. That said, if this particular coach didn't fight the decision, then the R wasn't exactly wrong. Although over-ruling you was wrong, by rule.