Thats not a foul?!?

[Larks]

Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

A1 passes the ball to A2 who fumbles the ball.

So we have a loose ball about 2 or 3 feet from A2

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

I thanked him for reminding me that we weren't playing "sissy ball" then promptly puked on his shoes.....

Shouldn't there be some sort of test that these guys have to pass to even be allowed to sit on the bench, let alone coach?

SISSY BALL FEVER.....CATCH IT!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Larks

Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

A1 passes the ball to A2 who fumbles the ball.

So we have a loose ball about 2 or 3 feet from A2

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Okay, let's see. Prone on the floor with arms outstretched horizontally to get the ball is not LGP, so she's not maintaining position, contact was initiated by B2, A2 falls, and B2 gets an illegal advantage.

Yup, that sounds like a foul

Originally Posted by Larks

Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

I thanked him for reminding me that we weren't playing "sissy ball" then promptly puked on his shoes.....

...and reminded him that it's also not roller derby?

Originally Posted by Larks

Shouldn't there be some sort of test these guys have to pass to even be allowed to sit on the bench, let alone coach?

What they really need is a good swift T in the books.

Originally Posted by Larks

SISSY BALL FEVER.....CATCH IT!

I've caught it!!

[mick]

Many poorly coached teams demand rough play to cover their lack of skill.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Larks

Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

A1 passes the ball to A2 who fumbles the ball.

So we have a loose ball about 2 or 3 feet from A2

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

I thanked him for reminding me that we weren't playing "sissy ball" then promptly puked on his shoes.....

Shouldn't there be some sort of test these guys have to pass to even be allowed to sit on the bench, let alone coach?

SISSY BALL FEVER.....CATCH IT!

I feel a tad of sarcasm in your words

It's difficult to judge this kind of action without seeing it. In FIBA, and I believe under every rule set, two players are allowed to chase after a loose ball and the ensuing contact must be considered incidental if both had the opportunity to get the ball without causing illegal contact.

In this situation I would look closely at A2's movements, because it is frequent that the fumbler shifts in order to protect the ball before diving for it.

If B2 went for the ball just invading A2's cylinder, I would agree with you. If A2's movement had hindered B2's dive, it might have been a team control foul or a no call.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Larks

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Sure hope it is, 'cause I called it last night.

Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

No technical here?

[sj]

And we're all sure the coach would feel the same way if it was his kid's legs that got taken out. They don't want us to get it right. They want us to get it for them.

[rockyroad]

Wow, Larks...were you out West last night? Had pretty much the same conversation wih a coach last night...her player dives into the back of the legs of offensive player and tackles her. I call foul - she argues...her next possession, her 5'1" point guard has shot blocked by 6'2" post and she screams "You'll call that ticky-tack tackle down here, but won't call that???" So she got a call- not the one she wanted, but she got a call...btw: score at the time was 69-25, she was losing.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Larks

Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

My name's not Bob, but in my former Back Yard League (1989-1992), I can safely say this would be a foul.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow, Larks...were you out West last night? Had pretty much the same conversation wih a coach last night...her player dives into the back of the legs of offensive player and tackles her. I call foul - she argues...her next possession, her 5'1" point guard has shot blocked by 6'2" post and she screams "You'll call that ticky-tack tackle down here, but won't call that???" So she got a call- not the one she wanted, but she got a call...btw: score at the time was 69-25, she was losing.

Someday, if I really work hard, and keep learning, can I be good enough to get thse terrific games?!?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Someday, if I really work hard, and keep learning, can I be good enough to get thse terrific games?!?

Nope...I jealously guard all those games just for my ownself!!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by mick

Many poorly coached teams demand rough play to cover their lack of skill.

Very true Mick, plus, these are some of the schools who are opposed to three-whistle games.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

In FIBA, and I believe under every rule set, two players are allowed to chase after a loose ball and the ensuing contact must be considered incidental if both had the opportunity to get the ball without causing illegal contact.

Uh, yeah. If it's not incidental, it must be illegal. Your comment basically says two players can go after the ball unless one of them fouls, with which I agree.

The ball being loose does not suddenly turn all contact into incidental contact.

[Adam]

Does he coach rugby on the side?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

The ball being loose does not suddenly turn all contact into incidental contact.

Great wording!!

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

No technical here?

nah - it was honestly said more directed on the floor vs. screamed at me. Besides, he stayed busy washing his shoes the rest of the game.