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Larks Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:05am

Thats not a foul?!?
 
Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

A1 passes the ball to A2 who fumbles the ball.

So we have a loose ball about 2 or 3 feet from A2

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

I thanked him for reminding me that we weren't playing "sissy ball" then promptly puked on his shoes.....

Shouldn't there be some sort of test that these guys have to pass to even be allowed to sit on the bench, let alone coach?

SISSY BALL FEVER.....CATCH IT!

rainmaker Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Larks
Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

A1 passes the ball to A2 who fumbles the ball.

So we have a loose ball about 2 or 3 feet from A2

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Okay, let's see. Prone on the floor with arms outstretched horizontally to get the ball is not LGP, so she's not maintaining position, contact was initiated by B2, A2 falls, and B2 gets an illegal advantage.

Yup, that sounds like a foul

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Originally Posted by Larks
Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

I thanked him for reminding me that we weren't playing "sissy ball" then promptly puked on his shoes.....

...and reminded him that it's also not roller derby?

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Originally Posted by Larks
Shouldn't there be some sort of test these guys have to pass to even be allowed to sit on the bench, let alone coach?

What they really need is a good swift T in the books.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks
SISSY BALL FEVER.....CATCH IT!

I've caught it!!

mick Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:22am

Many poorly coached teams demand rough play to cover their lack of skill.

eg-italy Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks
Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

A1 passes the ball to A2 who fumbles the ball.

So we have a loose ball about 2 or 3 feet from A2

She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.

I thanked him for reminding me that we weren't playing "sissy ball" then promptly puked on his shoes.....

Shouldn't there be some sort of test these guys have to pass to even be allowed to sit on the bench, let alone coach?

SISSY BALL FEVER.....CATCH IT!

I feel a tad of sarcasm in your words :)

It's difficult to judge this kind of action without seeing it. In FIBA, and I believe under every rule set, two players are allowed to chase after a loose ball and the ensuing contact must be considered incidental if both had the opportunity to get the ball without causing illegal contact.

In this situation I would look closely at A2's movements, because it is frequent that the fumbler shifts in order to protect the ball before diving for it.

If B2 went for the ball just invading A2's cylinder, I would agree with you. If A2's movement had hindered B2's dive, it might have been a team control foul or a no call.

Mark Dexter Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:39am

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Originally Posted by Larks
She moves to pick it up...B2 dives for the ball from behind A2 taking the legs of A2 out from under her.

A2 falls to the floor....B2 secures the ball.

FOUL......right? RIGHT??

Sure hope it is, 'cause I called it last night. :p


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Mr. howler monkey informs me that I should let them play and that since the ball was loose, thats not a foul. I was also reminded that this was girls varsity basketball and not..."sissy ball" from one of his jr. howler types.
No technical here?

sj Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:43am

And we're all sure the coach would feel the same way if it was his kid's legs that got taken out. They don't want us to get it right. They want us to get it for them.

rockyroad Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:44am

Wow, Larks...were you out West last night? Had pretty much the same conversation wih a coach last night...her player dives into the back of the legs of offensive player and tackles her. I call foul - she argues...her next possession, her 5'1" point guard has shot blocked by 6'2" post and she screams "You'll call that ticky-tack tackle down here, but won't call that???" So she got a call- not the one she wanted, but she got a call...btw: score at the time was 69-25, she was losing.

Stat-Man Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Larks
Please correct me if I am wrong....I'd like a FIBA, NBA, NCAA, NFHS, Bob's backyard league, International, Olympic, grade school, CYO and any other level or organization world wide interp for this play...

My name's not Bob, but in my former Back Yard League (1989-1992), I can safely say this would be a foul. :D

rainmaker Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:49am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Wow, Larks...were you out West last night? Had pretty much the same conversation wih a coach last night...her player dives into the back of the legs of offensive player and tackles her. I call foul - she argues...her next possession, her 5'1" point guard has shot blocked by 6'2" post and she screams "You'll call that ticky-tack tackle down here, but won't call that???" So she got a call- not the one she wanted, but she got a call...btw: score at the time was 69-25, she was losing.

Someday, if I really work hard, and keep learning, can I be good enough to get thse terrific games?!?

rockyroad Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Someday, if I really work hard, and keep learning, can I be good enough to get thse terrific games?!?

Nope...I jealously guard all those games just for my ownself!!

tjones1 Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Many poorly coached teams demand rough play to cover their lack of skill.

Very true Mick, plus, these are some of the schools who are opposed to three-whistle games.

Hartsy Fri Dec 08, 2006 01:09pm

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Originally Posted by eg-italy
In FIBA, and I believe under every rule set, two players are allowed to chase after a loose ball and the ensuing contact must be considered incidental if both had the opportunity to get the ball without causing illegal contact.

Uh, yeah. If it's not incidental, it must be illegal. Your comment basically says two players can go after the ball unless one of them fouls, with which I agree.

The ball being loose does not suddenly turn all contact into incidental contact.

Adam Fri Dec 08, 2006 01:15pm

Does he coach rugby on the side?

rainmaker Fri Dec 08, 2006 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by Hartsy
The ball being loose does not suddenly turn all contact into incidental contact.

Great wording!!

Larks Fri Dec 08, 2006 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
No technical here?

nah - it was honestly said more directed on the floor vs. screamed at me. Besides, he stayed busy washing his shoes the rest of the game.


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