Officials in the IU/W. ILL game

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If he's doing this on the last FT or either FT on a 1&1 then he's doing it wrong.

True. Although that does not negate my point. Why not put the C down there, bring the T in closer, and give him something to do during each free throw?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

True. Although that does not negate my point. Why not put the C down there, bring the T in closer, and give him something to do during each free throw?

Who watches the players along the lane? If the C is where it was described, how can they watch the players along the opposite side of the lane for violations, cheap elbow fouls, etc.? I believe the current Fed. mechanics, and NCAA-W, for that matter, is to have the C step onto the court from the sideline about 6 feet, and up almost even with the top of the key. That gives them the good look across the paint and at the shooter.

This way, the L should watch the opposite side of the lane from them, the C should watch the shooter and the other side, and the T gets all the other players that aren't on the lane. As j51969 posted, it sounds like the C was way too far down.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Who watches the players along the lane? If the C is where it was described, how can they watch the players along the opposite side of the lane for violations, cheap elbow fouls, etc.? I believe the current Fed. mechanics, and NCAA-W, for that matter, is to have the C step onto the court from the sideline about 6 feet, and up almost even with the top of the key. That gives them the good look across the paint and at the shooter.

This way, the L should watch the opposite side of the lane from them, the C should watch the shooter and the other side, and the T gets all the other players that aren't on the lane. As j51969 posted, it sounds like the C was way too far down.

JIm, we don't watch opposite sides in NCAA-W anymore...L is in close-down on last shot and watches strong-side rebounding and C has weak-side rebounding, so the old watch across isn't really applicable anymore...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

JIm, we don't watch opposite sides in NCAA-W anymore...L is in close-down on last shot and watches strong-side rebounding and C has weak-side rebounding, so the old watch across isn't really applicable anymore...

Uh oh.

When did that change? (Please say this year...) When I was at one camp this past summer, I saw a clinician rip a camper for not watching across the lane and missing an obvious violation. Now I purposely left off watching the top player on your side as C, etc., but I was just trying to point out where the C was described is not really a good spot to be.

I do agree once the shot is released, primaries change. Is that what you meant?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Uh oh.

When did that change? (Please say this year...)

I don't have my CCA manual, but I believe that applies to NCAA-M also. 'C' watches free-thrower and players on his side of the lane, 'L' watches players on his side.

Even though in my Men's JuCo game Saturday I (as 'C') called a lane violation on A2 on the opposite side of the lane from me. The observer didn't say anything to me after the game.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't have my CCA manual, but I believe that applies to NCAA-M also. 'C' watches free-thrower and players on his side of the lane, 'L' watches players on his side.

Even though in my Men's JuCo game Saturday I (as 'C') called a lane violation on A2 on the opposite side of the lane from me. The observer didn't say anything to me after the game.

This is correct. The Men's mechanic is watch the players on the lane closest to you. I recently read it in the CCA manual.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Uh oh.

When did that change? (Please say this year...) When I was at one camp this past summer, I saw a clinician rip a camper for not watching across the lane and missing an obvious violation. Now I purposely left off watching the top player on your side as C, etc., but I was just trying to point out where the C was described is not really a good spot to be.

I do agree once the shot is released, primaries change. Is that what you meant?

OK...I will say it changed this year if that makes you feel better!

Actually, it did...I had to change that on my pre-game conference sheet...not sure why, and I don't like it much, but it is what it is.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK...I will say it changed this year if that makes you feel better!

Actually, it did...I had to change that on my pre-game conference sheet...not sure why, and I don't like it much, but it is what it is.

Ok, dang it. Now you gonna make me go home and read the manual again.

So, let me get this straight - is the C's position still the same, inside the arc and even with the top of the key?

[Mwanr1]

I always thought the "C" should start around the midway point of the semi-circle and stepped down on the release to move closer to the play. While position below the free-thrower, C's closing in may distract the free-thrower.

Any input on this?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Ok, dang it. Now you gonna make me go home and read the manual again.

So, let me get this straight - is the C's position still the same, inside the arc and even with the top of the key?

Yep...and still step down and all that. But C now has the weak-side rebound coverage same as on a "regular" shot...

My supervisor has always taught the "half-way, half-way" position for C...IOW, half-way between the sideline and lane line, and half-way between top of circle and free-throw line.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK...I will say it changed this year if that makes you feel better!

Actually, it did...I had to change that on my pre-game conference sheet...not sure why, and I don't like it much, but it is what it is.

Ok, I had to bring this up again to help with my confusion.

First off - rocky, you made me pull out my mechanics manual, and the one I have still shows the C has responsibility for the top two, opposite lane spots, as well as the top spot on the same side, and the shooter. The L has the bottom spot on the same side, and the bottom two spots on the opposite side. I only mention this as the pre-shot responsibilities; after the shot hits the rim, I agree the C covers the same side for rebounding action. Are we talking about the same things? Or was there a change that happened after this year's manual came out?

Again, I was responding to the OP, where he mentioned it looked like the C was WAY down, halfway between the FT line and baseline. My comment was at that position it would be very hard to see any lane violations. Now, since then, I have watched a few games and have not seen that mechanic. Now I'm wondering if perhaps j51969 was confused by the angle of the TV cameras. It does look a little like from the angle of the center court camera that the C is farther down.

Or, perhaps, it just gave the C a better look at the cheerleaders?