backcourt violation?

Nu1 · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 09:55am

I believe this was discussed on a recent thread. If so, could someone kindly post the link...or recap this for me. (Yes, you could post it rudely also.)

On a throw-in, A1 is out of bounds and throws to A2 who is airborne having jumped from the front court. While airborne, A2 passes the ball to A3 who is in the backcourt.
Violation NFHS?
Violation NCAA?

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 10:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu1

I believe this was discussed on a recent thread. If so, could someone kindly post the link...or recap this for me. (Yes, you could post it rudely also.)

On a throw-in, A1 is out of bounds and throws to A2 who is airborne having jumped from the front court. While airborne, A2 passes the ball to A3 who is in the backcourt.
Violation NFHS?
Violation NCAA?

NFHS: Violation
NCAA: Legal (so I've been told, and I accept, but I have a hard time "proving" it in the book)

Nu1 · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 11:11am

Thanks Bob.

I've been told / read the same for NCAA, but I can't figure it out myself. Rule 9-12.8 says on a throw-in or jump ball an airborne player who secures control of the ball in the front court shall not be permitted to cause the ball to go into the back court. The only exception listed is the defensive player going airborne...intercepting a pass...and landing in the back court. (Of course 9-12.7 says an offensive player can secure and land in the back court off of a throw-in or jump ball.)

But I can't see how the scenario of A1 out of bounds...throwing it in to airborne A2 (from the front court)...who throws it to A3 in the back court is legal.

Ignats75 · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 11:53am

I had a play last night. Start of the quarter. A1 passes the ball to A2 who jumps from the front court, catches the ball while in the air and lands in the back court. I blew the whistle and called a backcourt violation thinking that A2 had already established his position in the front court when he caught the ball and had not established his posiition in the back court (which would've been legal if he was already there).

An assignor that I work for happened to be at the game and came into the locker room afterwards and said I should've not called that, that it was a legal play as it was an inbounds play. I had enough sense not to debate it, but I've been thinking about it today at work and thought I 'd run it by the best source other than the books themselves....you folks.

bob jenkins · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 11:57am

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Originally Posted by Ignats75

I had a play last night. Start of the quarter. A1 passes the ball to A2 who jumps from the front court, catches the ball while in the air and lands in the back court. I blew the whistle and called a backcourt violation thinking that A2 had already established his position in the front court when he caught the ball and had not established his posiition in the back court (which would've been legal if he was already there).

An assignor that I work for happened to be at the game and came into the locker room afterwards and said I should've not called that, that it was a legal play as it was an inbounds play. I had enough sense not to debate it, but I've been thinking about it today at work and thought I 'd run it by the best source other than the books themselves....you folks.

AS discussed previously in this thread, it's not a violation. It's one of the specific "exceptions" (now in the rule) in the backcouort violation section of rule 9.

Ignats75 · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 11:57am

Thanks Bob.

#7 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignats75

I had a play last night. Start of the quarter. A1 passes the ball to A2 who jumps from the front court, catches the ball while in the air and lands in the back court. I blew the whistle and called a backcourt violation thinking that A2 had already established his position in the front court when he caught the ball and had not established his posiition in the back court (which would've been legal if he was already there).

An assignor that I work for happened to be at the game and came into the locker room afterwards and said I should've not called that, that it was a legal play as it was an inbounds play. I had enough sense not to debate it, but I've been thinking about it today at work and thought I 'd run it by the best source other than the books themselves....you folks.

That specific exception is illustrated in the comic book also.

Scrapper1 · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 07, 2006, 08:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu1

On a throw-in, A1 is out of bounds and throws to A2 who is airborne having jumped from the front court. While airborne, A2 passes the ball to A3 who is in the backcourt.

Violation NCAA?

NCAA: Legal (so I've been told, and I accept, but I have a hard time "proving" it in the book)

Why would this be legal under NCAA rules? If anything, it's harder to support as being legal because team control exists during the throw-in (unlike NFHS).

bob jenkins · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 07, 2006, 08:57am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Why would this be legal under NCAA rules? If anything, it's harder to support as being legal because team control exists during the throw-in (unlike NFHS).

My guess (and it's just a guess) is that this used to be legal (and clear) in the NCAA rule book. When they had that massive rewrite back in '00 (or so), the clarity of the rule was lost.

Someone who is closer to the NCAA rules committee / editor would have to ask if the rule still exists.

HawkeyeCubP · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 05:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu1

On a throw-in, A1 is out of bounds and throws to A2 who is airborne having jumped from the front court. While airborne, A2 passes the ball to A3 who is in the backcourt. Violation NFHS?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NFHS: Violation

A1 inbounds to A2 who is in the air, last having touched the frontcourt, but instead of catching and throwing to A3 (A3 is in the backcourt) before touching the backcourt, bats or tips (without catching or palming) to A3 in the backcourt. Still a violation?

(I think I know the answer...)

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 06:04pm

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

A1 inbounds to A2 who is in the air, last having touched the frontcourt, but instead of catching and throwing to A3 (A3 is in the backcourt) before touching the backcourt, bats or tips (without catching or palming) to A3 in the backcourt. Still a violation?

(I think I know the answer...)

Yes, this is a violation.

Smitty · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 06:10pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, this is a violation.

Are you sure?

HawkeyeCubP · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 06:41pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, this is a violation.

Because...?

Adam · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 07:02pm

I blame (insert political figure here) and retract my statement.

Jurassic Referee · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 06, 2006, 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I blame George Washington and retract my statement.

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