Foul then Buzzer then shot - Interesting brand new ruling

[just another ref]

Much emphasis is put on being consistent in making a call throughout the game, from start to finish. If it's a foul in the first quarter, it's a foul in the last 2 minutes, etc. Following that line of reasoning, according to some arguments in this thread, there is a "timing error" every time the whistle blows. Should we look quickly at the clock to try to read the time on every whistle? It would be easier most of the game, without the tenths showing.
So, conceivably, every time a travel is called at 4:52 remaining in the third quarter, we may need to reset the clock to 4:53.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Much emphasis is put on being consistent in making a call throughout the game, from start to finish. If it's a foul in the first quarter, it's a foul in the last 2 minutes, etc. Following that line of reasoning, according to some arguments in this thread, there is a "timing error" every time the whistle blows. Should we look quickly at the clock to try to read the time on every whistle? It would be easier most of the game, without the tenths showing.
So, conceivably, every time a travel is called at 4:52 remaining in the third quarter, we may need to reset the clock to 4:53.

I'll need to check, but I believe the Fed has specifically stated that this rule change is designed for end-of-quarter scenarios. They're higher profile, and a timing error that goes unfixed can actually decide a game. So, by rule, you could look up and fix the clock at 4:53 in the first quarter. However, you would be spending a lot of time working ms ball wondering why you can't get that varsity break. However, ignoring a 1 second difference with 6 seconds left may have the same effect.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll need to check, but I believe the Fed has specifically stated that this rule change is designed for end-of-quarter scenarios.

Where do you check? Specifically what is the change and when was it changed? So far the only thing I have read about a change is at Catawba River, and I don't know where that is.

[Adam]

From NFHS.ORG, the comments on rules revisions:

LAG TIME ELIMINATED (5-10-1): This change eliminates the need for lag time or reaction time on the part of the clock operator. The referee may put the exact time observed by an official back on the game clock. The committee felt that with new clock technology and the ability to observe tenths of a second, when an official has definite knowledge relative to the time involved, he/she should have the ability to put the correct time on the game clock.

Not exactly what I was looking for. Note, however, the mention of reaction time being no longer needed as well as lag time. Tomorrow at work, I'll keep looking for the comments I remember regarding the end of quarter/game intent behind this change.

(edit) I need a break. I just found it, at the page linked to in the OP, with the interpretation we've been debating so viciously.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

From NFHS.ORG, the comments on rules revisions:


Not exactly what I was looking for. Note, however, the mention of reaction time being no longer needed as well as lag time. Tomorrow at work, I'll keep looking for the comments I remember regarding the end of quarter/game intent behind this change.

(edit) I need a break. I just found it, at the page linked to in the OP, with the interpretation we've been debating so viciously.

Who wrote the interpretation in this link? With all due respect to the good people at the Catawba River Association, if I hadn't read it here, where would I have heard the interpretation. The books that we all have still say that the ball must be released prior to the buzzer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Who wrote the interpretation in this link? With all due respect to the good people at the Catawba River Association, if I hadn't read it here, where would I have heard the interpretation. The books that we all have still say that the ball must be released prior to the buzzer.

I know. That was my admission that the comments weren't definitive.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I can't speak for JR, but my interpretation is that you can't count the basket whether you were looking at the clock or not.

The case play says that the ball remains live after the whistle unless the shot isn’t released before time expires. If you’re putting time back on the clock, then time hasn’t expired for the quarter. If I can put time on the clock, I’m counting the bucket.

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Imagine telling a coach "sorry, buddy - you lost because I wasn't looking at the clock." Not a pretty sight, nor is there any rule support for it.

If his team loses, it’s because the kid couldn’t make the free throws.
“Coach, we have a shooting foul, and we’ll be shooting free throws. The shot was released after time expired, so the basket doesn’t count.”

[zakman2005000]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Who wrote the interpretation in this link? With all due respect to the good people at the Catawba River Association, if I hadn't read it here, where would I have heard the interpretation. The books that we all have still say that the ball must be released prior to the buzzer.

I can't find a reference to the buzzer or horn in the applicable rule (6-7?)and I think that is where the difference of opinion is on this. I think that buzzer or horn doesn't equal expiration of time if we have definite knowledge that time hasn't expired and we put time back on the clock.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by zakman2005000

I can't find a reference to the buzzer or horn in the applicable rule (6-7?)and I think that is where the difference of opinion is on this. I think that buzzer or horn doesn't equal expiration of time if we have definite knowledge that time hasn't expired and we put time back on the clock.

6-7 exception c: .....provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight.

5-6-2: Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal sounds indicating time has expired.