Foul then Buzzer then shot - Interesting brand new ruling

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Grail

Did you read my other play, player fouled at 1.1, hangs through the buzzer and than releases? Would you still feel that time expired? Even under the old lag time rule? I wouldn't. This is a timing error. I understand the play in the casebook may not agree, but it appears to be in contradiction to the new rule. To this official's eyes, it seems they forgot to check the case book when them implemented the new rule.

Absolutely - whether a quick release, or whether the player flies through the air via some anti-gravity device (shucks - even if for 11.1 seconds), the ball must be released before the horn sounds in order to count.

As to whether or not the case book seems to disagree with the rules, maybe it does (EDIT: the casebook can't actually contradict the rules - we go by what the casebook says). However (to paraphrase Rummy), we ref the games with the casebook we have, not with the casebook we might want.

[Mark Dexter]

A1 has the ball and begins his habitual motion preceeding his shot. B1 fouls A1 and the whistle is sounded. A1 then travels, releases the ball, and it successfully goes through the hoop.

What's your call?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

A1 has the ball and begins his habitual motion preceeding his shot. B1 fouls A1 and the whistle is sounded. A1 then travels, releases the ball, and it successfully goes through the hoop.

What's your call?

That has nothing to do with this discussion. But the call is a foul, waive the basket if made, 2 FTs. If it were any other way, a player fouled while trying to shoot could hang onto the ball, take 3-4 steps closer to the basket and still score.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That has nothing to do with this discussion. But the call is a foul, waive the basket if made, 2 FTs. If it were any other way, a player fouled while trying to shoot could hang onto the ball, take 3-4 steps closer to the basket and still score.

Precisely.

We don't allow extra steps just because A1 is fouled on the try.

We don't allow team A to goaltend or commit BI just because A1 is fouled on the try.

So why, then, would we ignore the legal sounding of the buzzer just because A1 is fouled on the try?

[just another ref]

Much emphasis is put on being consistent in making a call throughout the game, from start to finish. If it's a foul in the first quarter, it's a foul in the last 2 minutes, etc. Following that line of reasoning, according to some arguments in this thread, there is a "timing error" every time the whistle blows. Should we look quickly at the clock to try to read the time on every whistle? It would be easier most of the game, without the tenths showing.
So, conceivably, every time a travel is called at 4:52 remaining in the third quarter, we may need to reset the clock to 4:53.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Much emphasis is put on being consistent in making a call throughout the game, from start to finish. If it's a foul in the first quarter, it's a foul in the last 2 minutes, etc. Following that line of reasoning, according to some arguments in this thread, there is a "timing error" every time the whistle blows. Should we look quickly at the clock to try to read the time on every whistle? It would be easier most of the game, without the tenths showing.
So, conceivably, every time a travel is called at 4:52 remaining in the third quarter, we may need to reset the clock to 4:53.

I'll need to check, but I believe the Fed has specifically stated that this rule change is designed for end-of-quarter scenarios. They're higher profile, and a timing error that goes unfixed can actually decide a game. So, by rule, you could look up and fix the clock at 4:53 in the first quarter. However, you would be spending a lot of time working ms ball wondering why you can't get that varsity break. However, ignoring a 1 second difference with 6 seconds left may have the same effect.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll need to check, but I believe the Fed has specifically stated that this rule change is designed for end-of-quarter scenarios.

Where do you check? Specifically what is the change and when was it changed? So far the only thing I have read about a change is at Catawba River, and I don't know where that is.