Pre-game warm-ups question - Full Court Warm-Up

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, whatinthehell did Mr. Gibson say? And who is Mr. Gibson?

Inquiring minds need to know!

He is in charge of (boys) basketball in Illinois.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yeah, but this was dealing more with both teams being present on the floor. If one team goes to the locker room, that is another issue. I think Larks is specifically asking about teams running a 3 on 2 full court drills that you commonly see.

Also in Illinois they had no problem with teams running around the court as long as they did not interfere with the other team's warm-up. They also said in the meetings I attended that this applied to both teams being on the floor. It was kind of implied we were not go overboard and use some common sense.

Peace

Right, what I got out of it is that he said they could come out of their locker room like that, however once they were on the floor they had to stay at their end. It didn't matter if the other team went back down to their locker room or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Right, what I got out of it is that he said they could come out of their locker room like that, however once they were on the floor they had to stay at their end. It didn't matter if the other team went back down to their locker room or not.

That was not the impression we were given, but then again I was not at a meeting where Kurt ran a meeting. I believe I attended meetings that Harry Bohn (head clinician and rules interpreter in the State of Illinois) and John Dacey. Unless they want to put it in writing, I am not going to stop any team from doing so.

As it relates to the NCAA level, I know of no discussion that says this is illegal and no one has shown this as an issue yet.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Don't listen to me and the other dickheads posting here. Go to the horse's mouth.

For those that don't know, JR's real name is Richard Cranium.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Larks

Do the deletes apply to quotes?

Next time....use "Richard Craniums" !!

D@mn. You beat me to it!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That was not the impression we were given, but then again I was not at a meeting where Kurt ran a meeting. I believe I attended meetings that Harry Bohn (head clinician and rules interpreter in the State of Illinois) and John Dacey. Unless they want to put it in writing, I am not going to stop any team from doing so.

As it relates to the NCAA level, I know of no discussion that says this is illegal and no one has shown this as an issue yet.

Peace

Jeff,

If I remember correctly, I believe it was a bulletin released around late January/early February. It was released because the office wanted it to come to a stop (if it was happening) before the post-season started. I'll see if I can locate it.

[JRutledge]

I do not remember any bulletin about that and I worked in the post season. I know this would have been something we talked about. Then again it would not be the first time things were said differently at different rules meetings. I do not remember this being made an issue by outside of the rules meetings. I also work games for Harry and have attended his camp the last few years and I have never heard him talk about this in any way.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tjones1

He is in charge of (boys) basketball in Illinois.

Right, what I got out of it is that he said they could come out of their locker room like that, however once they were on the floor they had to stay at their end. It didn't matter if the other team went back down to their locker room or not.

Iow, no warming up at both ends ever. Correct?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Iow, no warming up at both ends ever. Correct?

Correct. I'm still trying to find the document that concerns Illinois.

[jeffpea]

who cares?!?!?!? when the team returns to the floor, just make sure there are no problems between players and start the game. there is no advantage gained by either team! c'mon people, use a little common sense here.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

c'mon people, use a little common sense here.

C'mon Jeff, use a little common sense here. DOn't you know that "common sense" just doesn't cut it in reffing? If what looks like common sense to me looks like an idiotic, childish decision to my assignor, then I"m out the door and down the block in my reffing career. The first question always has to be, what should I do according to the rules that I"ve agreed to enforce. Whether or not that makes sense to me is irrelevant.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

who cares?!?!?!? when the team returns to the floor, just make sure there are no problems between players and start the game. there is no advantage gained by either team! c'mon people, use a little common sense here.

Jeff,
For the areas that have such a ruling in place and for the officials whose supervisors want them to enforce it, it matters. If this happens and one of the bigwigs is present, it could make the difference between being selected for the postseason or not.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Jeff,
For the areas that have such a ruling in place and for the officials whose supervisors want them to enforce it, it matters. If this happens and one of the bigwigs is present, it could make the difference between being selected for the postseason or not.

Soooo....if you live in an area with bigwigs who expect you to do something a particular way then I would say you should feel free to do things the way the bigwigs want them done. It's not that hard, is it?

[deecee]

SoCal -- Orange county at least does not allow a team to run around the whole court when the opponents are present. As for if no one was using the other side of the court I would have no problem with a team using it. When the other team comes out those kids will make it back to their side and you wont have to remind them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

C'mon Jeff, use a little common sense here. DOn't you know that "common sense" just doesn't cut it in reffing? If what looks like common sense to me looks like an idiotic, childish decision to my assignor, then I"m out the door and down the block in my reffing career. The first question always has to be, what should I do according to the rules that I"ve agreed to enforce. Whether or not that makes sense to me is irrelevant.

I am going to have to disagree with you adamantly about this. This is not something that is going to change the game. Maybe in places this was a problem. It also makes me think there are officials out there who cannot handle simple situations either; this is why this rule was even made an issue. I have never had this become a problem nor do I anticipate any kind of problem. And we are not even talking about something that was specifically addressed. Now we are talking about the absurd. The purpose of the rule was to prevent teams from interfering with the other team's warm-up. The purpose was not to worry about what a team does when the other completely leaves the floor. Even in my state they gave the opportunity for home team to go to center court and do some kind of pre-game ritual. If we enforce the rules the way you suggest, it should be an automatic T for anytime a player goes to the other team’s huddle during introductions to shake the hands of the head coach and officials which is extremely common in these parts.

Peace

[deecee]

JR this is how I look at things and I get blasted here -- many POE's are guidelines for those that cannot handle simple situations. Most games are filled with simple situations its the tough situations that define a good official (judgement helps too).

game management to me is not how do I apply the rules as strictly as I can -- but rather how can I work with both coaches and the table in the confines of the rules where the game can be enjoyable and fair. One of my pet pevees -- because the coaching box and the fashion guidelines were huge POE's in our association this year -- is that the refs I work with only focus on THAT --

me: partner lets go meet the coaches
Partner: ok
Parnter: coach just want to mention that your have a 6 foot box and we don't want you out of it. Also make sure your players report to the table with uniforms tucked in, etc. blah blah blah.

Right there we have already lost our ability to work with the coach.

if it were me

Coach my name is _____ and this is my partner ______. good luck if you have any questions now is the best time to ask them. by the way coach we will need your help as we have been told that bench decorum is being addressed more this year than in years past and if you could please keep all movement in your coaches box. (if one isnt drawn out just request that he keeps his movement to about 4 chairs -- usually the first 4 on the bench). And that he can be the only one standing and addressing us.

simple little meeting and now the coach feels as though we WANT to work with him. You and I can say the samething but get completly different responses -- I make it seem like what the coach will be doing is voluntary by asking him nicely you on the other hand will be ordering him and right off the bat we will have a confrontational game.