Buh-Bye!

[All_Heart]

I'm going to send this to all of the officials that ball watch! If this gets missed then you are going to have a brawl.

That player gets the coward of the year award for hitting someone with their back turned.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the answer to a recent thread asking what the signal for a flagrant personal foul is, please note the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

Oh yeah, he is out of there. Question though (NFHS), do the officials have to report that someone was tossed or is it up to the coach?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Oh yeah, he is out of there. Question though (NFHS), do the officials have to report that someone was tossed or is it up to the coach?

That's completely a local issue afaik. Each state/league usually has it's own procedure to follow on all ejections.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Oh yeah, he is out of there. Question though (NFHS), do the officials have to report that someone was tossed or is it up to the coach?

In Missouri, the official (s) must file a report.

[mbyron]

The announcers did a nice job: "It's a technical," "It's intentional," and finally, "It's flagrant."

I don't know NCAA, but I'm fairly confident that only one of those is correct.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Oh yeah, he is out of there. Question though (NFHS), do the officials have to report that someone was tossed or is it up to the coach?

In our case Rob, yes we have to call Nelson immediately after the game. I've had to do that once in my short career.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the answer to a recent thread asking what the signal for a flagrant personal foul is, please note the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

A bit theatrical, IMHO. In FIBA there is a proper signal for a disqualifying foul (personal or technical): raise both arms with the closed fist.

I remember a similar "signal" by Earl Strom when he ejected Boston Celtic's coach Bill Fitch (seen on TV so many years ago).

Ciao

[Old School]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

A bit theatrical, IMHO. In FIBA there is a proper signal for a disqualifying foul (personal or technical): raise both arms with the closed fist.

I totally agree, way over the top. He embarassed the player. He only needed to run up there to make sure there was no retaliation. He actually caught the retaliation, he missed the first foul that lead to this altercation.

Just go over to the table and indicate # is ejected for throwing a punch. Notify the coach, notify partners, determine who's shooting the technical.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Old School

I totally agree, way over the top. He embarassed the player. He only needed to run up there to make sure there was no retaliation. He actually caught the retaliation, he missed the first foul that lead to this altercation.

Just go over to the table and indicate # is ejected for throwing a punch. Notify the coach, notify partners, determine who's shooting the technical.

When a kid does something so non-basketball and wrong as that he should get embarrassed imo. Also look at where the call is made. Way off the ball. How many fans, and for that matter the coaches, saw that. If he is going to toss the kid, he has to come in hard and sell the hell out of this call. I believe he did it just right. Plus he had the tape to validate him with the commissioner and his boss. All around good job if you ask me.

[deecee]

to those officials that said

"its over the top" and "he embarassed a player" "and this happened because he missed the first foul" -- i say to these LO @#$@#$@#$ L

Lets adress that He missed the first foul -- which was a bump if this idiot doesnt go Evander Holifield no one would notice that bump because it was quite frankly nothing. thats an off ball foul I would pass on -- nothing serious really. And when does a bump with the hip call for a dome ringer in retaliation?

Secondly whether or not contact occured on the punch -- ITS AN EJECTION -- intent was there and there is no reason a player that throws a haymaker should remain the game -- EVER.

OVER the TOP -- This is a call you have to sell because most people didnt see it or might have missed it -- it happened rather matter of factly but the official did a great job of seeing it, recognizing it, and calling it. He made sure everyone knew what was happening and that he was on it and the white player (jersey color) didn't have to retaliate because it was dealt with ASAP. Great job. You can sit back and blow your whistle and make your T signal or whatever signal you want but it wont end there I guarantee it.

And the official DIDN'T embarass the player -- the player's cowardly act embarassed himself. this wasnt a case of the player doing something silly and the official making a huge deal about it. This is about a huge deal being made of a huge issue., and at the center is said player. Besides if that coach is worth his weight in feathers the least thing said player should be concerend about is embrassment by the official.

amazing how some could even mention that a thrown punch that misses could not lead to an ejection and that an official taking charge is over the top. JR take it away.

[bgtg19]

Deecee nailed it! If I had that clapping icon, I'd post it here.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by deecee

to those officials that said

"its over the top" and "he embarassed a player" "and this happened because he missed the first foul" -- i say to these LO @#$@#$@#$ L

Lets adress that He missed the first foul -- which was a bump if this idiot doesnt go Evander Holifield no one would notice that bump because it was quite frankly nothing. thats an off ball foul I would pass on -- nothing serious really. And when does a bump with the hip call for a dome ringer in retaliation?

DeeCee, you need to check yourself here. I'm sure that little hip check didn't cause this player to do this. I'm sure there was something else that pushed this guys button that lead to this violent act. Good officials have to be aware of that too. There was probably a call missed earlier in the game and when you add in the hip check and all the other cheap stuff the player was doing and getting away with it. Then you get the violent reaction.

The NFL is taking steps to try and get the perpetrator first. You can see this by the fines that are being levied out to the person who didn't throw a punch. Hooray for the NFL, they get it.

I have no doubt in my mind that this player should be tossed, but I also strongly believe that players don't come to the gym looking to cold-cock somebody on the first bump. Let me tell you something. If a man that big is having a bad day, the absolute worse thing you want to do is run up on him and throw your arms out in a emphatic motion and say you are tossed! You might just push him over the edge. This guy backed down, thank goodness! I have seen guys like that that don't back down. This little pint size referee up in my face, I'm already kicked out the game, possibly now kicked off the team, I might as well make go out with bang. Now, what you gonna do?

We do not want to escalate the issue or the player and that's exactly what this referee action could have done, in my opinion. Tell the coach the player is ejected and for this reason. Let the coach tell him he's got to go to the locker room.

OVER the TOP -- This is a call you have to sell because most people didnt see it or might have missed it -- it happened rather matter of factly but the official did a great job of seeing it, recognizing it, and calling it. He made sure everyone knew what was happening and that he was on it and the white player (jersey color) didn't have to retaliate because it was dealt with ASAP. Great job. You can sit back and blow your whistle and make your T signal or whatever signal you want but it wont end there I guarantee it.

All I got to say to this is the tape don't lie. Oh, did we forget about that? You are over-the-top!

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

amazing how some could even mention that a thrown punch that misses could not lead to an ejection and that an official taking charge is over the top. JR take it away.

Deecee, See BadNews/M&M's post/picture. The guy that you're dealing with isn't an official. He posts for one reason only. It's that simple.

[Texas Aggie]

He embarassed the player.

Oh, please. This is a pretty silly (and I'm being generous with language here) comment. He did what he needed to do (or thought he needed to do) to keep control of the game at that point.

Perhaps you've never been in a situation like that, but worrying about the potential embarrassment of a player who just tried to cold-cock someone is absurd.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Oh, please. This is a pretty silly (and I'm being generous with language here) comment.

Old School joined the forum in November and - by my informal count - now has about 45 pretty silly (and I am also being VERY generous with the language) comments...that's more than one "silly comment" per day. Almost as bad as that scrapper1 guy!!