Buh-Bye!

[Jurassic Referee]

For the answer to a recent thread asking what the signal for a flagrant personal foul is, please note the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

[missinglink]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the answer to a recent thread asking what the signal for a flagrant personal foul is, please note the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2ZuIXI1VgM

Very good. Toward the end of the video the K-state guy with hair that looks like a weapon? If he pokes someone in the eye with one of those spikes he should be gone too!

[sj]

With the ding-dong decision by the ejected Kansas state player to hit that kid and the ding-dong hairdo of the other Kansas state player it makes you wonder who their coach is now. Oh. Wait. It's Bob Huggins. The whole picture makes sense now

[rainmaker]

you know, it's interesting to see it from the different angles. At the beginning, it looks like some rough out of control play, but the replay from the angle of the calling ref, it really does look like a punch. Since the player didn't complain about the call, I expect it was more intentional than not, but I just noticed that it did look very different from one angle than another.

[wizard]

Originally Posted by sj

With the ding-dong decision by the ejected Kansas state player to hit that kid and the ding-dong hairdo of the other Kansas state player it makes you wonder who their coach is now. Oh. Wait. It's Bob Huggins. The whole picture makes sense now

And being a Cincinnati guy, I am laughing (a little) inside. A 24 point and 30 point loss, plus a player ejected, all before December...I guess the shine has worn off the "Little Apple" (manhattan, KS).

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by wizard

And being a Cincinnati guy, I am laughing (a little) inside. A 24 point and 30 point loss, plus a player ejected, all before December...I guess the shine has worn off the "Little Apple" (manhattan, KS).

In regards to basketball, the shine was off the Little Apple after the departures of Mitch Richmond and Lon Kruger.

As a K-State alum, I can guarantee you, though, that K-State basketball fans have no doubt in Huggins' abilities as a coach. It's not gonna be a quick turn around, however, when the team is full of guys who are soft...and I mean SOFT.

[wizard]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

In regards to basketball, the shine was off the Little Apple after the departures of Mitch Richmond and Lon Kruger.

As a K-State alum, I can guarantee you, though, that K-State basketball fans have no doubt in Huggins' abilities as a coach. It's not gonna be a quick turn around, however, when the team is full of guys who are soft...and I mean SOFT.

And one who is stupid!

He will get them to play hard, I have no doubt. Expect great defense, but IMO, he's not a great game coach. And don't expect a great halfcourt offense. If he has a weekly "Bob Huggins" call-in radio show, don't expect any caller to get much respect. He is condescending to fans who call in to ask questions.

Do I sound like a Bob Huggins hater? I'm not; just a UC fan who got tired of the crap that came along with trying to win.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by missinglink

Toward the end of the video the K-state guy with hair that looks like a weapon? If he pokes someone in the eye with one of those spikes he should be gone too!

Yeah, my first thought too was that haircut had to be some kind of "T". And if it wasn't, it sureashell should be.

Maybe you could send him out of the game for being dangerous--poke somebody's eye out or sumthin'?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yeah, my first thought too was that haircut had to be some kind of "T". And if it wasn't, it sureashell should be.

Maybe you could send him out of the game for being dangerous--poke somebody's eye out or sumthin'?

My first year officiating Varsity games, during warmups a kid took off his warmup pants to reveal some "cat in the hat" striped socks pulled up clear over his knees. When I inquired of my partner if they were legal or there was a T for this, his response was, "Only if you're planning to whack him for having bad taste."

I think the hairdo falls into that category.

[SMEngmann]

Why was Colon given a technical here, the foul was clearly a flagrant personal foul because the ball was live. Am I missing something here?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Why was Colon given a technical here, the foul was clearly a flagrant personal foul because the ball was live. Am I missing something here?

What does it matter? It's a flagrant foul, two shots and the ball, amd he's ejected.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Why was Colon given a technical here, the foul was clearly a flagrant personal foul because the ball was live. Am I missing something here?

I had the same thought. The official clearly gives the T signal.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

What does it matter? It's a flagrant foul, two shots and the ball, amd he's ejected.

It's a matter of getting the call right. It's true that the most important thing is that the action was observed and the offender was punished by being DQ'd, but there are other lesser factors which should be handled correctly as well.

For example, it makes a difference which player from the offended team may shoot the 2FTs and also the ensuing throw-in spot would be different.

Small potatoes when compared with the meat of the play, but we should strive to get the whole meal just right.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I had the same thought. The official clearly gives the T signal.


It's a matter of getting the call right. It's true that the most important thing is that the action was observed and the offender was punished by being DQ'd, but there are other lesser factors which should be handled correctly as well.

For example, it makes a difference which player from the offended team may shoot the 2FTs and also the ensuing throw-in spot would be different.

Small potatoes when compared with the meat of the play, but we should strive to get the whole meal just right.

According to the Yahoo! Sports article, Taylor Harrison was the player who was punched. According to the box score, the foul was a technical (that may be the only way to input a flagrant foul into the computer), but more importantly, Jerome Randal took the FT's. Seems to me that this was not only signaled as a technical foul, but enforced as one, as well.

http://calbears.cstv.com/sports/m-ba...07/ksucal.html

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Why was Colon given a technical here, the foul was clearly a flagrant personal foul because the ball was live. Am I missing something here?

Was contact made? If not, it's a T.

Some would say that all fighting is a T, even during a live ball with contact (and I'm not trying to start that discussion again).

Originally Posted by mbyron

The announcers did a nice job: "It's a technical," "It's intentional," and finally, "It's flagrant."

I don't know NCAA, but I'm fairly confident that only one of those is correct.

Up to two of them could be correct.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Up to two of them could be correct.

I see what you mean. And not just any two.