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Old Sun Nov 26, 2006, 04:03pm
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I don't think this means that you don't call the T in this situation, just that in some situations, it might be better to pass on the T. In your example, the T is a necessary call, but there are some borderline calls where some might call the T and some might not. This is just a list of things that a ref could consider before they called one.
Why is a "T" in the first quarter not a "T" at the end of the fourth quarter, if they were called for similar acts? That shows a complete lack of consistency in play calling imo. If you're gonna let the borderline ones go, then let 'em go the whole game and let 'em go for both teams. And if you're gonna call the borderline ones, then call 'em the whole game and call 'em on both teams.

I agree completely with Mark P. on that one. Flow, time, score and language should never be a factor when calling a "T". The severity of the act alone determines the "T". If it's a "T" at the start of the game, then it's a "T" at the end of the game.
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Old Sun Nov 26, 2006, 04:12pm
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Why is a "T" in the first quarter not a "T" at the end of the fourth quarter, if they were called for similar acts? That shows a complete lack of consistency in play calling imo. If you're gonna let the borderline ones go, then let 'em go the whole game and let 'em go for both teams. And if you're gonna call the borderline ones, then call 'em the whole game and call 'em on both teams.

I agree completely with Mark P. on that one. Flow, time, score and language should never be a factor when calling a "T". The severity of the act alone determines the "T". If it's a "T" at the start of the game, then it's a "T" at the end of the game.
I didn't mean that a T should be called in the 1st but not 4th quarter. What I was thinking in my head, and did not put into words very well, is that there is some discretion in calling Ts. That is why refs come on here all the time, and good refs will debate whether a T was warranted in a situation. That is what I was thinking about when I said that there were borderline calls on whether a T should be called or not.
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Old Sun Nov 26, 2006, 06:17pm
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I didn't mean that a T should be called in the 1st but not 4th quarter. What I was thinking in my head, and did not put into words very well, is that there is some discretion in calling Ts. That is why refs come on here all the time, and good refs will debate whether a T was warranted in a situation. That is what I was thinking about when I said that there were borderline calls on whether a T should be called or not.
I knew what you were trying to say. There is always discretion in what you're gonna let a coach get away with. However, if you do call a borderline technical foul in the first quarter, then you should be calling similar borderline technical fouls in the fourth quarter. If you're not gonna call them in the first quarter, that's fine with me too- as long as you don't call them in the fourth quarter also. You don't change your "discretion" because of time, score, language, etc. That's what Tri-City is recommending that we should do.

My point was that whoever made up that list from Tri-City was completely wrong when they stated "Flow, time, score, language, the number of times a coach has complained, what the coach is complaining about, whether or not the coach wants one are all things that should be given consideration before calling a technical". That statement is completely ludicrous imo. Unfortunately, to me it also seems to mirror a trend that seems to be developing in the last few years, at least at the high school level. Some officials are looking for any reason at all NOT to have to call a technical foul, and they come up with crapola like the above to try and justify their lack of testicular fortitude. That's exactly why the NFHS rulesmakers have almost made Bench Decorum a permanent POE.

You simply call technical fouls on their own merit, and you should be calling them consistently on both teams from the start of the game to the finish. Everybody sets their own personal line as to what constitutes a technical. That's fine. When you do so though, you don't keep moving your line during the game.

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Old Sun Nov 26, 2006, 07:37pm
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JR,

I think that I read the list, and saw it as a whole. You read it and picked out the "Flow, time of score, language" section, and I agree with you that that that should not affect whether a T is called or not. Overall, I think we agree with each other.
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