Ncaa Blarge?

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not true. The Men did not adopt the Women's team control signal. The Men did not adopt the Women's coverage area. The Men's did not adopt the back court rule as it relates to 10 seconds. The Men did not adopt the change in closely guarded that the Women have used. There are a lot of things Men's basketball has purposely kept and did not adopt. The committees for both are completely different and that is why there is such a drastic difference in mechanics to rules. If anything, they are trying to keep their identity. The Women’s side seems to be so happy they have a pro league, anything the WNBA does the NCAA Women’s Committee wants to adopt.

Peace

Agree that there are drastic differences between the two. Thats why I didn't say they were the same. What I was implying was that if the Men's committee changes something it is after the women have adopted it already.

For example the women admin free throws with the two bottom spaces left unoccupied. The men are experimenting with this this year. The men now have adopted what the women have done for the last couple of years in allowing all subs to come on a multiple free throws when a injured or DQ'd . player goes out.

Not that the men will adopt everything just that when they do make a change usually it has happened on the women's side already.

Give me some examples about the NCAA Women's committee conforming to the WNBA, other then reporting with two hands. Which I'm sure will funnel to the men in the next couple of years. The women now allow a bleeding player, irritated contact or lost contact to be corrected without taking a required TO or sub if it can be done in 20 seconds. This will funnel across to other leagues because it makes the most sense to keep the game moving.

I'm not saying one side is better then the other. Just that most changes that happen start with the women.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Agree that there are drastic differences between the two. Thats why I didn't say they were the same. What I was implying was that if the Men's committee changes something it is after the women have adopted it already.

For example the women admin free throws with the two bottom spaces left unoccupied. The men are experimenting with this this year. The men now have adopted what the women have done for the last couple of years in allowing all subs to come on a multiple free throws when a injured or DQ'd . player goes out.

If you know anything about Men's experimental rules, they often are not adopted at all. So I would not be surprised if that rule is not adopted. It is not a big deal.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Not that the men will adopt everything just that when they do make a change usually it has happened on the women's side already.

Could you name something specific? I watch these things closely and I cannot name anything that was specific to the Women's game that was just adopted by the Men's game. Many of the rules changes are made by both at the same time like the Team Control foul.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Give me some examples about the NCAA Women's committee conforming to the WNBA, other then reporting with two hands. Which I'm sure will funnel to the men in the next couple of years. The women now allow a bleeding player, irritated contact or lost contact to be corrected without taking a required TO or sub if it can be done in 20 seconds. This will funnel across to other leagues because it makes the most sense to keep the game moving.

I'm not saying one side is better then the other. Just that most changes that happen start with the women.

Like what? The women changed their coverage area, Men's stayed the same. The women allow walking and talking in reporting, the Men do not allow that you have to come to a complete stop. The Men require a stop clock in mechanics on fouls and out of bounds calls, the Women do not. Women have an airborne shooter rule; the Men have for a very long time never adopted one (at least the way it is administered, we already had this discussion BTW). Shot clock times are different. Point of Interruptions is different in a couple of areas. Guidelines for hand checking, post play, intentional fouls are a little different. I realize you want these things to be the same but they are not. I have seen the Women adopt a lot of things and the Men's side refused. Maybe I do not remember something, but you will have to tell me what the Men adopted that the Women had first.

Peace

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you know anything about Men's experimental rules, they often are not adopted at all. So I would not be surprised if that rule is not adopted. It is not a big deal.

Other then then extending the 3 point line what other experimental rules have they not adopted.

Could you name something specific? I watch these things closely and I cannot name anything that was specific to the Women's game that was just adopted by the Men's game. Many of the rules changes are made by both at the same time like the Team Control foul.

The biggest change I can think of is the table side switching.That happened with the women first and then after either one year or two went to the men.

Like what? The women changed their coverage area, Men's stayed the same. The women allow walking and talking in reporting, the Men do not allow that you have to come to a complete stop. The Men require a stop clock in mechanics on fouls and out of bounds calls, the Women do not. Women have an airborne shooter rule; the Men have for a very long time never adopted one (at least the way it is administered, we already had this discussion BTW). Shot clock times are different. Point of Interruptions is different in a couple of areas.

Where are the POI's different other then our blarge conversation? I agree again that there are differences and that their will always be.

Guidelines for hand checking, post play, intentional fouls are a little different. I realize you want these things to be the same but they are not. I have seen the Women adopt a lot of things and the Men's side refused. Maybe I do not remember something, but you will have to tell me what the Men adopted that the Women had first.

I'm not referring to POE. These have to stay different because of the different styles of play.

Let me rephrase @ least in the last couple of years most of the changes that are happening are happening on the women's side. I agree there are some that are happening on both. I can't remember...when was the last major change the men made without the women making a change?

I'm sure the men will go to two handed reporting soon. The bleeding/contact player rule will funnel through.

You never answered my question. How are the women trying to be like the WNBA?

[Gimlet25id]

Remembering these as I sit here and watch the game. Men went to Lead bouncing the ball to sideline throw ins that are below the free throw line extended.

As I think of them I will post them.

Also I know that the men were experimenting with a block/charge circle and the wider lane. So Rut you may be correct on the fact they rairly adopt experimental rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Other then then extending the 3 point line what other experimental rules have they not adopted.

What extension of the 3 point line? You are the person that made the claim they adopted everything, what did the Men's committee adopt? Can you give 5 examples? Just 5 examples should be easy if you claim they adopt everything.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

The biggest change I can think of is the table side switching.That happened with the women first and then after either one year or two went to the men.

OK, but they did not adopt any other mechanics. They have not adopted the two handed reporting.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Where are the POI's different other then our blarge conversation? I agree again that there are differences and that their will always be.

I'm not referring to POE. These have to stay different because of the different styles of play.

You might be right about this, but the Men's have a could of different foul designations than Women's. Intentional Technical as an example. And I believe there was a foul that was not at all on the Men's side that did not go to POI. I am not sure if that changed, but that was a difference the Men did not adopt.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Let me rephrase @ least in the last couple of years most of the changes that are happening are happening on the women's side. I agree there are some that are happening on both. I can't remember...when was the last major change the men made without the women making a change?

I'm sure the men will go to two handed reporting soon. The bleeding/contact player rule will funnel through.

I seriously doubt that the two hand thing is coming Men's side. For one the NCAA Men's has done a lot to stay totally away from the NBA and their mechanics. Once again the Women adopted almost every procedure and mechanic from the NBA and the Men decided to not use them. So I do not know why you think two hand reporting is coming.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

You never answered my question. How are the women trying to be like the WNBA?

Dude are you serious? You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Straight to hell, right M&M??!!

Well, if I'm going as well, I might as well have someone show me the way...

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And isn't it nice that Rutledge found hisself a new chew toy to argue with...should we tell Gimlet how badly he's wasting his time, or just let him figure it out all by hisownself??

If he sticks around, he'll figure it out.

Now, I guess I'll stick in my two cents. I think sometimes the discussion becomes territorial: men's game vs. women's game. But, I still cannot understand the rational behind calling both fouls in that situation, because, by rule, either one happened, or the other, but not both. I think Rut has it right that we are allowing this call so that we do not appear to be "screwing" one team and coach out of a call. But since when do we base our calls on how the coach feels? I hope never.

This situation should never happen, with proper mechanics by a crew. But, stuff happens. And, in the case of the NCAA-W, I believe they have it right - either there was a block or a charge, but never both. So get together, come out with one call, and continue on with the game.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

If he sticks around, he'll figure it out.

I'm not going anywhere. I enjoy the back & forth debate with Rut. I've learned that Rut is passionate about what he believes and will defend it to the end. Nothing wrong with that. The debate tends to lead to other discussion's that sometimes gets the brain moving the right direction and it has allowed me to learn a few things.

I still cannot understand the rational behind calling both fouls in that situation, because, by rule, either one happened, or the other, but not both. I think Rut has it right that we are allowing this call so that we do not appear to be "screwing" one team and coach out of a call. But since when do we base our calls on how the coach feels? I hope never.

I agree. Lets just get the foul that matters. I'm not at all for penalizing a player that doesn't deserve the penalty.