Ncaa Blarge?

[Gimlet25id]

Most of the time the call is coming from trail or center to lead. That being said its real hard for lead to lay off the call or even hold off giving the prelim. We pre game just that. If the play is coming from C or T then lets just asssumee that L is going to sell the call first. If C or T has a whistle then hold off on giving a prelim. for a split second.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Most of the time the call is coming from trail or center to lead. That being said its real hard for lead to lay off the call or even hold off giving the prelim. We pre game just that. If the play is coming from C or T then lets just asssumee that L is going to sell the call first. If C or T has a whistle then hold off on giving a prelim. for a split second.

Unless the Lead is calling across the paint, right Tomegun?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Unless the Lead is calling across the paint, right Tomegun?

You were reading my mind!
This is something that I firmly believe should be talked about or trained on with perfection in mind. During the game things happen so trying to be perfect before hand could help. My thoughts:

• If there is a prelim, it should come from the lead
• If the play is on the C's side and the C has had the play the whole way to the basket, let the C make the call
• If the C doesn't make the call and the lead has a whistle, delay it enough for "Oh _____" to run through your mind

It still baffles the mind how many times the lead calls across the paint on ordinary, run of the mill, happens all the time, generic, simple, done it a million times, easy, why are you looking there anyway, if you want to look there you should have carried your tail over there, plays! Without fail, the lead will go tooting his/her tooter instead of letting the C do what they are there for.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Most of the time the call is coming from trail or center to lead. That being said its real hard for lead to lay off the call or even hold off giving the prelim. We pre game just that. If the play is coming from C or T then lets just asssumee that L is going to sell the call first. If C or T has a whistle then hold off on giving a prelim. for a split second.

I honestly believe that this is the main reason why there are fewer problems with this issue on the NCAA-W side...we preach, teach, and pound into each other that it is the LEAD who should hold off on these whistles...let the T or the C take it all the way to the hoop. On the NCAA-M side, the Lead jumps all over these calls and that's why (only IMO) they end up with blarges.

[jritchie]

it does happen a lot because the play is coming from the T or C most of the time and they have seen the WHOLE PLAY and then the L comes over quick and has to try and make the call, instead of giving it to the one that has seen the play the whole time! I agree with the NCAA-W on this one...get together and talk about it, come out with one call!

[ShadowStripes]

There was also a Blarge in the the 2nd half of the Winthrop/UNC game last night. Tom Lopes at lead, Bernard Clinton at trail.

This is one where the women have it right, the double foul/POI solution is a mess and looks ridiculous.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ShadowStripes

There was also a Blarge in the the 2nd half of the Winthrop/UNC game last night. Tom Lopes at lead, Bernard Clinton at trail.

This is one where the women have it right, the double foul/POI solution is a mess and looks ridiculous.

I wonder if either coach said "But the ref wearing the side panels had the opposite call!!!"

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jritchie

it does happen a lot because the play is coming from the T or C most of the time and they have seen the WHOLE PLAY and then the L comes over quick and has to try and make the call, instead of giving it to the one that has seen the play the whole time!

I disagree. Most times, it's a secondary defender who has stepped in. Since the L is not watching the ball handler, he has a better look at the secondary defender.

In the Carolina game last night, this happened and the L clearly had a better look at the play.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I disagree. Most times, it's a secondary defender who has stepped in. Since the L is not watching the ball handler, he has a better look at the secondary defender.

In the Carolina game last night, this happened and the L clearly had a better look at the play.

You bring up a good point. If a secondary defender comes across to defend then if you have a blarge and if this is a women's game both officials will get together and in this case lead would make this call since lead had the best look @ the secondary defenders LGP>

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I disagree. Most times, it's a secondary defender who has stepped in. Since the L is not watching the ball handler, he has a better look at the secondary defender.

In the Carolina game last night, this happened and the L clearly had a better look at the play.

To add to this good post, more times than not the lead will simply have a better look at this play than the T.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I honestly believe that this is the main reason why there are fewer problems with this issue on the NCAA-W side...we preach, teach, and pound into each other that it is the LEAD who should hold off on these whistles...let the T or the C take it all the way to the hoop. On the NCAA-M side, the Lead jumps all over these calls and that's why (only IMO) they end up with blarges.

I work the women's side and will still pre game this. I'm not talking about the plays that are clearly in C's or T's primary I'm talking about those plays that originate in C or T but end up on L. We are more then likley to get a double whistle but L will usually want to go ahead and sell the call. Thats why we pregame for C or T to hold on giving prelim. for a split second.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

I work the women's side and will still pre game this. I'm not talking about the plays that are clearly in C's or T's primary I'm talking about those plays that originate in C or T but end up on L. We are more then likley to get a double whistle but L will usually want to go ahead and sell the call. Thats why we pregame for C or T to hold on giving prelim. for a split second.

Agreed...I always pre-game it as "in a perfect world...but we know that...". We all know the L is gonna come out hard with the call...but in a perfect world, the L will be more patient and not hammer the signal right away.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Agreed...I always pre-game it as "in a perfect world...but we know that...". We all know the L is gonna come out hard with the call...but in a perfect world, the L will be more patient and not hammer the signal right away.

It would be great if we all officiated in a perfect world wouldn't it?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

It would be great if we all officiated in a perfect world wouldn't it?

In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any officials. All screens would be set legally, all players would shoot 100% from the field and the line, no one would turn the ball over, all coaches would exhibit sportsmanlike behavior, etc.

[Gimlet25id]

Hope the alarm clock doesn't go off anytime soon.....