Ncaa Blarge?

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I honestly believe that this is the main reason why there are fewer problems with this issue on the NCAA-W side...we preach, teach, and pound into each other that it is the LEAD who should hold off on these whistles...let the T or the C take it all the way to the hoop. On the NCAA-M side, the Lead jumps all over these calls and that's why (only IMO) they end up with blarges.

I work the women's side and will still pre game this. I'm not talking about the plays that are clearly in C's or T's primary I'm talking about those plays that originate in C or T but end up on L. We are more then likley to get a double whistle but L will usually want to go ahead and sell the call. Thats why we pregame for C or T to hold on giving prelim. for a split second.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I think the one problem we have is that we really want to sell that block/charge call and sometimes we get quick with our mechanics (human nature) with this call.

Probably not a popular position, but if you truly don't give a crap what players, fans, and coaches think, then why is "selling the call" a huge issue anyway--especially at the expense of risking blarges. Just raise your fist, eye contact, and signal.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

I work the women's side and will still pre game this. I'm not talking about the plays that are clearly in C's or T's primary I'm talking about those plays that originate in C or T but end up on L. We are more then likley to get a double whistle but L will usually want to go ahead and sell the call. Thats why we pregame for C or T to hold on giving prelim. for a split second.

Agreed...I always pre-game it as "in a perfect world...but we know that...". We all know the L is gonna come out hard with the call...but in a perfect world, the L will be more patient and not hammer the signal right away.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Probably not a popular position, but if you truly don't give a crap what players, fans, and coaches think, then why is "selling the call" a huge issue anyway--especially at the expense of risking blarges. Just raise your fist, eye contact, and signal.

Good point!! Just easier said then done sometimes.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Agreed...I always pre-game it as "in a perfect world...but we know that...". We all know the L is gonna come out hard with the call...but in a perfect world, the L will be more patient and not hammer the signal right away.

It would be great if we all officiated in a perfect world wouldn't it?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

It would be great if we all officiated in a perfect world wouldn't it?

In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any officials. All screens would be set legally, all players would shoot 100% from the field and the line, no one would turn the ball over, all coaches would exhibit sportsmanlike behavior, etc.

[Gimlet25id]

Hope the alarm clock doesn't go off anytime soon.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I agree. This is one difference where the women's rule is better than the men's rule.

I would disagree that it is better. This does not advocate good communication or trying to prevent this from happening. And everyone sees that your partner disagrees with you. I am glad the NCAA Men's have not gone the route with Women's side on this.

Peace

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would disagree that it is better. This does not advocate good communication or trying to prevent this from happening. And everyone sees that your partner disagrees with you. I am glad the NCAA Men's have not gone the route with Women's side on this.
Peace

Well nobody was talking about preventing it from happening. What the post is referring to is if it happens. Whether its mens or womens we all try to prevent it from happening. What if it happens? Is it really better to call a double foul and go POI? I don't think so. This is what I like about the women's perspective. Why not get together and talk about it and make a decision as to what is the right call.

Which looks worse? Calling a double foul and going POI or getting together and getting it right? Either way looks bad!!!! The screw up already happened nothing we can do to take it back. Now what we have to do is get the call right with out penalizing the wrong player.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would disagree that it is better.

More power to ya. Nothing looks stupider than one guy going to the table with a charge and one guy going to the table with a block. You look like an idiot to the coaches.

This does not advocate good communication or trying to prevent this from happening.

I don't care what it advocates. I care about which call is correct. It simply can't be both a block and a player control on the same play. Can't. It's one or the other. Either the defender was in legal position when the contact occured on the torso, or he wasn't. It simply can't be both. So how can it be "better" to call both?

And everyone sees that your partner disagrees with you.

Yeah, but everyone sees that in the men's system, too; so that's not really relevant to which is better.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Well nobody was talking about preventing it from happening. What the post is referring to is if it happens. Whether its mens or womens we all try to prevent it from happening. What if it happens? Is it really better to call a double foul and go POI? I don't think so. This is what I like about the women's perspective. Why not get together and talk about it and make a decision as to what is the right call.

Which looks worse? Calling a double foul and going POI or getting together and getting it right? Either way looks bad!!!! The screw up already happened nothing we can do to take it back. Now what we have to do is get the call right with out penalizing the wrong player.

If you advocate an out for the officials then you eliminate prevention of this in my opinion. The coach that did not get the call has more reason to ***** about the call. At least the NF and NCAA Men's say that if the officials make this call we are going to give this a double foul. It is harder for a coach to complain in my opinion. They might not like it, but at least they do not feel the officials completely screwed them. If officials know they are only going to go with one of the calls, then screw it if I signal something I saw (without the appropriate communication) because it will not matter either way. Now that is my opinion, it does not mean you have to agree.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I think the one problem we have is that we really want to sell that block/charge call and sometimes we get quick with our mechanics (human nature) with this call.

I have never had one in my 4th season of officiating, which includes all of the camps I have been to. (Knock on wood)

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you advocate an out for the officials then you eliminate prevention of this in my opinion. The coach that did not get the call has more reason to ***** about the call. At least the NF and NCAA Men's say that if the officials make this call we are going to give this a double foul. It is harder for a coach to complain in my opinion. They might not like it, but at least they do not feel the officials completely screwed them. If officials know they are only going to go with one of the calls, then screw it if I signal something I saw (without the appropriate communication) because it will not matter either way. Now that is my opinion, it does not mean you have to agree.

Peace

Evidently your way isn't working because the men are still having problems with calling the blarge even though the men don't advocate getting together and get the call right.The point is you will never, never prevent it. Nobody is advocating it. To be honest nobody wants it to happen.

If you call a double foul in this scenario then @ least one of the coaches is going to be pissed. Especially if he/she thinks that their player was the player that didn't foul. I agree that either way one of the coaches is going to be upset. I just don't think that by getting together and calling the right call is going to upset both coaches. Both coaches are more likely to be upset if you call the double foul. This is why the women went to getting together and getting the call correct. Why penalize both players?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you advocate an out for the officials then you eliminate prevention of this in my opinion. The coach that did not get the call has more reason to ***** about the call. At least the NF and NCAA Men's say that if the officials make this call we are going to give this a double foul. It is harder for a coach to complain in my opinion. They might not like it, but at least they do not feel the officials completely screwed them. If officials know they are only going to go with one of the calls, then screw it if I signal something I saw (without the appropriate communication) because it will not matter either way. Now that is my opinion, it does not mean you have to agree.

Peace

You would rather have two coaches yelling at you than one?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Evidently your way isn't working because the men are still having problems with calling the blarge even though the men don't advocate getting together and get the call right.The point is you will never, never prevent it. Nobody is advocating it. To be honest nobody wants it to happen.

I do not how this got to be "my way." I do know if the officials on the floor followed the prescribed mechanics, this would not happen.

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

If you call a double foul in this scenario then @ least one of the coaches is going to be pissed. Especially if he/she thinks that their player was the player that didn't foul. I agree that either way one of the coaches is going to be upset. I just don't think that by getting together and calling the right call is going to upset both coaches. Both coaches are more likely to be upset if you call the double foul. This is why the women went to getting together and getting the call correct. Why penalize both players?

I would rather go with a double foul, then go with one of the calls and have the coach assume we picked the foul that would screw them. Coaches are already thinking we are screwing them. In my opinion, the Women's rule helps encourage that feeling. Of course coaches might understand the rule, but why put that doubt in their mind? Once again, this is my opinion.

Peace