Six players in game

[RefLarry]

refresher exam tough one...

Subsititute B-6 enters the court while the ball in in control of team A and while the ball is live and the clock is running. The officials are unaware that team B has six players in the game. B-6 returns to the bench after which team A commits a violation. The scorer now informs the officials that team B had 6 players on the court. Official rules no techincal foul can be charged. Is the official correct?


I'd go with YES for this question. RB 10.1.6 penalty states that this Technical can only be "Penalized if discovered while being vioalted." The question states that the officials were unaware that team B has 6 players. So I don't know how you could assess a Technical foul if the officials did not see team B have more that 6 players on the court. Does anybody disagree?

[Nevadaref]

Larry,
You are correct. "Penalized if discovered while being violated" means exactly that.

[Ref Daddy]

One gets in trouble trying to read too much into rules. This is pretty clear.

If you don't see it - and get talked into calling it ..... where does the game go from there?

[26 Year Gap]

That's the right answer for the right reason. Had our refresher last night. Similar to the ball hitting wire question.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

That's the right answer for the right reason. Had our refresher last night. Similar to the ball hitting wire question.

Now why would you bring THAT one up again?!

Do we really need another 27 pages on the forum?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Now why would you bring THAT one up again?!

Do we really need another 27 pages on the forum?

Yawn....

Did I hear my name called?

[OHBBREF]

just like it aint a foul if I don't call it - It aint a violation if I don't see it!

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

just like it aint a foul if I don't call it - It aint a violation if I don't see it!

True enough, but what if you *do* see it but inadvertently set asi ... oh, never mind.

[rockyroad]

Reminds me of a play froma HS game about 12 years ago that still pi$$es me off every time I think of it...boys HS District championship game. Quick steal and I am busting down to Lead (2-person)...big crash, I've got a block call, second defender comes in and commits BI which my partner gets with a second whistle...meanwhile the two idiots on the ground get up and square off so I have to get between them, AND the aassistant coach from home team is up protesting the BI call so my partner is dealing with him...after all the dust settles and we handle everything and shoot all the free throws and get the ball in play and finish the last 2 min. or so of the quarter and buzzer sounds...visiting coach, right before partner is going to inbound ball to start the 4th quarter, calls me over and asks "When did #12 check into the game last quarter?" Sure enough, the little sucker snuck onto the court to get involved in the dust-up, we didn't see it, and the home coach just grabbed the nearest player and yanked him off the court and sat him down. They got away with it...like I said, it was 12 years ago and it still makes me mad!

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by RefLarry

refresher exam tough one...

Subsititute B-6 enters the court while the ball in in control of team A and while the ball is live and the clock is running. The officials are unaware that team B has six players in the game. B-6 returns to the bench after which team A commits a violation. The scorer now informs the officials that team B had 6 players on the court. Official rules no techincal foul can be charged. Is the official correct?


I'd go with YES for this question. RB 10.1.6 penalty states that this Technical can only be "Penalized if discovered while being vioalted." The question states that the officials were unaware that team B has 6 players. So I don't know how you could assess a Technical foul if the officials did not see team B have more that 6 players on the court. Does anybody disagree?

Umm, I thought that an unauthozed entry on the court was a Technical Foul. You might want to check that one again and 6 players is an automatic T when discover after the ball is in play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Umm, I thought

Think again. See 10.1.6

[IREFU2]

Umm read a little further.... 10.2. 1 & 3

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Umm read a little further.... 10.2. 1 & 3

these require that the violation be discovered before the ball becomes live, the ball is live when the player enterd the floor I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN CALL IT.

and article 6 requires that it must be discovered while it is happening so if you look up and there a five guys on the floor it matters not that there where six you missed it

you CAN NOT CALL IT,

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Yawn....

Did I hear my name called?

I still think you're right btw...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I still think you're right btw...

I agree.