Lane spaces?

[Fritz]

Thanks!! Still working on picking up little things like that. It is strange when you come from a sport that you are very comfortable with and cross over to one that you aren't nearly up to speed on. I get frustrated with myself for not knowing things like that, but I am certainly having fun!

[ATXCoach]

For what it's worth (answer - nothing) - I thought that I heard the announcers say in an NBA game I watched this weekend that they no longer were allowed to stand on the block.

As a coach, i can't stand the rim vs. release change from a few years ago. I have no problem with less players or moving the girls (maybe boys too) out of the low spot. BUT It seems that there is more contact now as all the rebounders go crashing into each other. Prior to the rule change there was strategy and fundamentals (both offensive and defensive), but not so much anymore.

[BktBallRef]

Coach, before the change, you had kids crashing into the lane on the release and then the shot goes in. Not anymore. So how can there be more contact now when that's been eliminated?

[ATXCoach]

It used to be 1 on 1 blocking out, the ball would hit the rim, and whoever had the best position won.

Now, everyone waits to see the ball hit and if it bounces off in the middle of the lane, 6 players (shooter) all go crashing into each other. It also takes away the advantage of the Defense, but since nobody makes freethrows very well anymore, maybe that was the intent.

As I stated in my first post, there was more strategy and technique when playing release (i.e. trying to get position) versus playing rim where I feel it's just a mosh pit.

I have no numbers to back up my thoughts, just the perception I get on the sideline

[Nevadaref]

Studies are still being conducted in this area.


2007 NCAA Men’s Approved Experimentation

The committee will collect data on the elimination of the first lane space
nearest the basket on each side of the lane, thus the defensive player shall
line up above the neutral zone (block). The present second, third and fourth
lane spaces on each side of the lane shall be used during free-throw attempts.
Besides feedback from coaches, officials and coordinators of officials, the
committee will be looking at the frequency distribution of defensive and
offensive rebounding after a missed free throw and the number of fouls and
violations that occur during experimental games.
This experimental rule is required to be used in certified games. In
addition, the rule should be used during exhibition games in all three
divisions. Because the experiment is only required for certified games,
which applies to Division I only, feedback from Divisions II and III is
particularly important during these preseason games.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

It used to be 1 on 1 blocking out, the ball would hit the rim, and whoever had the best position won.

Now, everyone waits to see the ball hit and if it bounces off in the middle of the lane, 6 players (shooter) all go crashing into each other. It also takes away the advantage of the Defense, but since nobody makes freethrows very well anymore, maybe that was the intent.

As I stated in my first post, there was more strategy and technique when playing release (i.e. trying to get position) versus playing rim where I feel it's just a mosh pit.

I have no numbers to back up my thoughts, just the perception I get on the sideline

Coach, what level are you working at? Are your players not listening when you talk to them about trying to get position?

[ATXCoach]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Coach, what level are you working at? Are your players not listening when you talk to them about trying to get position?

I work with girls ages 12 to 18. My players listen just fine. The problem, in my opinion, is that waiting on the ball to hit the rim on a free throw takes the fundamental out of the blocking out process.

My view from the sideline is that when you play release, the low players (defense) step towards the shooter, the offensive players one space up step to the basket. Both the offense and defense are trying to get position on there side of the floor. The third player blocks out the shooter. (As I stated before, I'm all for limiting the number of players in the lane to 5 plus the shooter - that is a good idea). So in summary, when playing the release, there is fundamentals involved.

When playing rim, when the shot comes off the rim, 6 players react to the flight of the ball, sometimes all meeting together in the middle of the lane. Futher, it's next to impossible to get to the shooter quick enough to block out legally .

I'm just a bigger fan of playing release and never once thought it to be to rough. I guess I'm of the minority opinion on that one.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

My view from the sideline is that when you play release, the low players (defense) step towards the shooter, the offensive players one space up step to the basket. Both the offense and defense are trying to get position on there side of the floor. The third player blocks out the shooter.

I"m not a coach or a player, so if this sounds like a stupid question, it's only because it is! But why can't they do those things when the ball hits the rim?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by ATXCoach

I have no numbers to back up my thoughts

Seems like NFHS does have numbers to back up their thoughts.