Dreaded BLARGE!

[jritchie]

NCAA rules!
correct procedure on block and charge by two officials. A1 in control runs over B1, two officials call foul both give preliminary signal, one with block one with charge! Do we give both players a foul and go with the possession arrow or go with both fouls and go back with the Team in control Team A at POI?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by jritchie

correct procedure on block and charge by two officials.
give both players a foul and go with the possession arrow or go with both fouls and go back with the Team in control POI?

Which rule set are we using?
In Fed., you would have to charge each player with a foul, which results in a double foul situation and resume play at the point of interruption.

In NCAA-W, we would get together, decide which call is correct, and penalize accordingly.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Which rule set are we using?
In Fed., you would have to charge each player with a foul, which results in a double foul situation and resume play at the point of interruption.

In NCAA-W, we would get together, decide which call is correct, and penalize accordingly.

Grrrrrr, M&M knows how to get me going!

Seriously, I'm sorry, the Fed can come out back-to-back years and add various items from NCAA-W and add babysitting procedures for headbands, wristbands, and cheerleaders BUT they can't destory that stupid case play and re-write it to follow NCAA-W?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Grrrrrr, M&M knows how to get me going!

Seriously, I'm sorry, the Fed can come out back-to-back years and add various items from NCAA-W and add babysitting procedures for headbands, wristbands, and cheerleaders BUT they can't destory that stupid case play and re-write it to follow NCAA-W?

It's only fair I get back at 'ya, considering you're one of those smartazz St. Louis fans.

I would agree it would be better to "get the call right", but it does force us to use the simple mechanic of the patient whistle and eye contact with our partner before making the call.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

It's only fair I get back at 'ya, considering you're one of those smartazz St. Louis fans.

I would agree it would be better to "get the call right", but it does force us to use the simple mechanic of the patient whistle and eye contact with our partner before making the call.

Ha Ha. Thanks M&M!

Yeah I see what you're saying. However, if they are admitting (sort of) that mistakes are made at the higher level, i.e. college, and they want the call correct. Wouldn't it be fair to say at the lower level these mistakes are going to occur as well? Granted, I would be willing to say they don't occur very often, but they do, and you should be able to make a call - not two.

Oh well...maybe someday I'll be on the Rules Committee.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Oh well...maybe someday I'll be on the Rules Committee.

I might vote for you, if you change your MLB party affiliation...

There's pluses and minuses for both ways. In HS, if you have a coach look at you and say, "But your partner called it a different way...", you can say, "Yep, we've got that call too." Both coaches are happy/unhappy. But I still don't understand how you can have both a player-control foul and a block, by rule. In NCAA-W, you still have the issue of trying to explain to one coach why the call that favored them was taken away. It may or may not be the "right" call, depending on who's primary, who had the best look, who's the stronger official, etc. In theory, I like the NCAA-W practice, but even it has drawbacks.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by jritchie

give both players a foul and go with the possession arrow or go with both fouls and go back with the Team in control POI?

J,

I've pointed this out before, but I'll mention it again. I think people get confused in talking about the POI. In FED and NCAA-M, all double fouls (and a blarge is a double foul) now go to the POI. The POI may be a throw-in or a FT, but the double foul always goes to the POI. So you just have to figure out what the point of interruption actually is.

In your case, you haven't given us enough information about the situation to determine the POI. Was there team control at the time of the blarge? Had a try already been released?

If there is team control, then you charge both players with a personal foul and resume at the POI, which is a throw-in to the team that had control at the spot closest to where the ball was when the foul occurred.

If a try has been released, then there's no more team control. So if the try is unsuccessful, the POI is an AP throw-in.

If the try is successful, then the POI is a throw-in anywhere along the endline by the team that was just on defense.

Hope that helps.

[jritchie]

thanks chuck! cleared it up for me!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by jritchie

thanks chuck! cleared it up for me!

Yep, I agree with Chuck too.

[QuinnVT]

Let the primary make the call, and if s/he doesn't then blow your whistle. Avoid the blarge in the first place.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by QuinnVT

Let the primary make the call, and if s/he doesn't then blow your whistle. Avoid the blarge in the first place.

That's nice.

However, in the immortal words of Sister Theresa "Sh!t Happens!"

Even to the NCAA big dawgs.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by QuinnVT

Let the primary make the call, and if s/he doesn't then blow your whistle. Avoid the blarge in the first place.

We all know there are transition areas/times when the play is moving from one official's primary to the another. That is the point of risk...not the fishing expeditions deep into your partner's primary. Unless you like to leave the play uncovered for a second or two as the play moves around, there will amost always be double primaries for a brief moment when the new official picks it up before the old one drops it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

We all know there are transition areas/times when the play is moving from one official's primary to the another. That is the point of risk...not the fishing expeditions deep into your partner's primary. Unless you like to leave the play uncovered for a second or two as the play moves around, there will amost always be double primaries for a brief moment when the new official picks it up before the old one drops it.

Translation- "Sh!t Happens!"