finer points of mechanics

[rcwilco]

Two questions:

1) If my partner is reporting a foul or doing something similar where attention is on them, and I am at the opposite end of the court with the players, and I observe an action where I need to call a T what would be the best thing to do. What until he is done and run over, make a signal right then and stay there, etc? (this next part did not happen but I was thinking about it). What if the palyers invovled do not want to stop or things are progressively getting worse. Blow whistle to get partners, coaches and players attention?Thanks.

[blindzebra]

You never stop watching them, until you know your partner(s) are watching.

If it's bad enough for you to call something, it's bad enough for an immediate whistle.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rcwilco

Two questions:

1) If my partner is reporting a foul or doing something similar where attention is on them, and I am at the opposite end of the court with the players, and I observe an action where I need to call a T what would be the best thing to do. What until he is done and run over, make a signal right then and stay there, etc? (this next part did not happen but I was thinking about it). What if the palyers invovled do not want to stop or things are progressively getting worse. Blow whistle to get partners, coaches and players attention?Thanks.

If you've got players getting into it, address it immediately....either get to them to seperate them before it gets to a T'able situation or, if it is too late for that, blow it right away! Waiting can only make things worse. The sooner you address it, the fewer T's you'll have to issue and the fewer people you'll have to eject.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

address it immediately....either get to them to seperate them before it gets to a T'able situation or, if it is too late for that, blow it right away!

I agree completely. Our former interpreter/clinician used to say, "Let 'em see stripes!" Meaning, get between them or get close enough to the situation so that nobody tries something stupid. If they know you're there, it's less likely (although still possible) to escalate.

If it's already escalated, blow right away. That draws attention to the incident. If you wait then nobody saw what you saw and the call is a surprise. Blow right away, let them know something happened, and hopefully stop any retaliation.

[JRutledge]

You do not need to blow the whistle to call a T in this situation if you ask me. Depending one what happens, you might have to separate players without any whistle at all. First of all if their is some kind of altercation, I do not know if I want a whistle in my mouth so I can have it and my teeth knocked out at the same time. You should only use the whistle if you are far away and the players cannot hear your voice. You might have a fight break out and you will have no whistle but multiple technical fouls.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not need to blow the whistle to call a T in this situation if you ask me. Depending one what happens, you might have to separate players without any whistle at all. First of all if their is some kind of altercation, I do not know if I want a whistle in my mouth so I can have it and my teeth knocked out at the same time. You should only use the whistle if you are far away and the players cannot hear your voice. You might have a fight break out and you will have no whistle but multiple technical fouls.

Peace

Totally disagree, come in hard with a whistle. A Fox 40 from close range does wonders at breaking up players...it's hard to think about punching when your ears are hurting.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Totally disagree, come in hard with a whistle. A Fox 40 from close range does wonders at breaking up players...it's hard to think about punching when your ears are hurting.

That is one thing that makes this country great, we can disagree. I can use my voice to stop a lot of stuff. I do not need my whistle as my only tool to stop players from acting stupid. Also not all officials are made the same. An official that is 6'4 and 250 pounds of muscle is going to be received a little different than someone that is 5'6 and 150 pounds. So not all officials have to use a whistle or their voice to be seen and heard if you get my drift.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not need to blow the whistle to call a T in this situation if you ask me. Depending one what happens, you might have to separate players without any whistle at all.

I think that the other poster's point was that if you did blow the whistle, you might be able to stop the crap and thus avoid having to give out "T"s.

Of course, I'm assuming only.....

Good point about getting the whistle out of your mouth if you do have to step in between players though. Wise move.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I think that the other poster's point was that if you did blow the whistle, you might be able to stop the crap and thus avoid having to give out "T"s.

Of course, I'm assuming only.....

If that is the case I would agree. My only point is that you do not have to use your whistle and the only way to stop action. I did not say you should avoid the whistle at all costs. If you are far enough away and you have to yell across a loud court, the whistle might be the only thing that will get their attention. Also part of good dead ball officiating is to be close to the situation where you would not have to yell at players. The calling officials should never leave the spot of a foul until it is clear that everything is OK in the first place. Then the non-calling official should be a back up to this. But this is a good discussion because there are many variations to how to handle these situations.

Peace