Boys tryout for girls teams.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If there's an equivalent program for boys, they can't try out. At least, not in the US. Too bad if they can't compete. I'm not saying that's my opinion. That's the law. If there were a girls' hockey program, the girls couldn't try out for the boys' team. It would be interesting to see if the boys could convince someone to let them onto a girls' volleyball team, where the school did not have a similar program for boys. I expect in that case, they might have some legal grounds.

That's correct. Here, if there's a boys basketball team, then the boys cannot try out for the girls' team. If there's a girls hockey team, they cannot go out for the boys team. There's been some issues when a girl wants to play baseball. But to my knowledge, so attempts have been rebuffed because softball is available. The courts have sided on softball being the equivalent of baseball.

Under NCHSAA rules, if a boy were to join a girls volleyball team, the team would be allowed to compete during the regular season. However, they would not be eligible for the regular season or post season titles nor would they be eligible for the playoffs.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's correct. Here, if there's a boys basketball team, then the boys cannot try out for the girls' team. If there's a girls hockey team, they cannot go out for the boys team.

That is precisely the policy that a court (in Winnipeg, Can.) deemed discriminatory.

I can only imagine the mess that will develop if it stands.

[zebraman]

In the past few years, there have been a few girls who turned out for boys wrestling teams at a few schools. One football player too if I remember right. A boy also turned out for the girls volleyball team at one school. It always makes for a big sports story in the newspaper and then fades away.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is precisely the policy that a court (in Winnipeg, Can.) deemed discriminatory.

I can only imagine the mess that will develop if it stands.

Sheez, Camron, relax! People didn't think the country would survive women voting, and it's made it 80 years so far. I doubt one legal ruling that you don't agree with in Winnipeg will be the end of life as we know it...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Sheez, Camron, relax! People didn't think the country would survive women voting, and it's made it 80 years so far. I doubt one legal ruling that you don't agree with in Winnipeg will be the end of life as we know it...

Juulie, I think you misunderstand me. I think this ruling (as it stands) can in no way be beneficial to women's sports or women in general. If the gender designations for sports teams is eliminated, I think that opportunities for women will suffer as men would also be allowed on women's teams.

Given the genetic differences, do you really think that the very best women could compete head-to-head against even the 2nd tier of men in physical sports where speed, height, and/or strength are critical elements.

I'm all for promoting womens sports and opportunities for women. In fact, I ran a church league for several years where I made great efforts in to ensure that the women had the same opportunities to play as the men....putting more effort into that than running the men's events. I had a lot of feedback from several of the women who were appreciative of my efforts...because no one else in my position before me had even tried to establish sports for the women.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Juulie, I think you misunderstand me. I think this ruling (as it stands) can in no way be beneficial to women's sports or women in general. If the gender designations for sports teams is eliminated, I think that opportunities for women will suffer as men would also be allowed on women's teams.

Given the genetic differences, do you really think that the very best women could compete head-to-head against even the 2nd tier of men in physical sports where speed, height, and/or strength are critical elements.

I'm all for promoting womens sports and opportunities for women. In fact, I ran a church league for several years where I made great efforts in to ensure that the women had the same opportunities to play as the men....putting more effort into that than running the men's events. I had a lot of feedback from several of the women who were appreciative of my efforts...because no one else in my position before me had even tried to establish sports for the women.

Camron, I don't think you were being anti-women's lib or anything so politically incorrect. You are nothing if not PC. I just think that to say this would develop into a mess is over-reacting. Mess doesn't need the help of some judge in Winnipeg. It can happen all by itself.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

People didn't think the country would survive women voting, and it's made it 80 years so far.

The jury is still out on that one imo.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Male Chauvinist Pig

The jury is still out on that one imo.

Have I mentioned today that you're still going to he!!?

[Junker]

Wow, this sort of ruling always opens a huge can of worms. They are aimed at "leveling the playing field" but it seems to me they do the opposite. The problem I see with letting girls on boys teams is that it is supposed to be about equality, but it seldom is. I remember seeing something last year or so about some hockey players that wanted to play field hockey with the girls. Parents raised holy hedoublhockeysticks (I love typing that btw). I completely understand and support girls wanting the same opportunties as boys to play, but you can't have it all. If it is going to be all about equality,we need to get rid of sex-specific teams totally and the best players play. Allowing some players on and some not is not equality. Of course this is just my view and if I knew all the answers, I'd be a much wealthier person.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Under NCHSAA rules, if a boy were to join a girls volleyball team, the team would be allowed to compete during the regular season. However, they would not be eligible for the regular season or post season titles nor would they be eligible for the playoffs.

Two of my friends decided to push this issue when we were in HS. NV did not have boys volleyball at the time, so they went out for the girls team. They attended all of the preseason tryouts and were clearly good enough to play. The coach even said so and stated this during the hearing before the state office.
They lost that battle with the state office and decided not to go to court.

NV now has boys volleyball in Las Vegas, but not in the rest of the state.

[SmokeEater]

I am in Winnipeg. The ruling from an independent arbitrator was to apply only to this situation of High School Boys Hockey. Although she stated this in her ruling Manitoba High School Athletic Association has received several calls from boys wanting to try out for girls teams. IMO, I believe this ruling was one for feminism and it was not one against discrimination. When you see all the facts and reasons for denying the Pasternaks tryouts, it is obvious the school was trying to protect them (from injury and/or humiliation) and their girls program.

Update ... The 2 girls were cut from the boys try-outs. They state they will not play for the schools girls team.


Smoke

[REFVA]

I guess when they mean sports equality , then I guess the boys will be having a field day in the locker room.... Oh yea!