Travel or not??

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I quit knowing I was correct a long, long time ago. Especially when it's Dan or Woddy or Tiny or BITS that's doing the correcting (so you guys are back on the list now, OKAY?? Sheez...).

So, what am I? Chopped liver?

In the original sitch, it sounds like he already made the decision - " the ball slips out during the pass attempt". That sounds like a fumble, so the ball can be recovered without penalty.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, what am I? Chopped liver?

In the original sitch, it sounds like he already made the decision - " the ball slips out during the pass attempt". That sounds like a fumble, so the ball can be recovered without penalty.

Unless you're Tom Brady, then the "tuck rule" applies, meaning it was a pass attempt, meaning you can't recover the ball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Unless you're Tom Brady, then the "tuck rule" applies, meaning it was a pass attempt, meaning you can't recover the ball.

Isn't it really a judgement call, as everybody else seems to imply?

Pass attempt----> travel

Fumble recovery----> legal

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Pass attempt----> travel

Unless A1 has not yet dribbled, as Juulie pointed out in post #3 above. If A1 had not yet dribbled, then that pass is just the start of his/her dribble (as long as it touches the floor).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Unless A1 has not yet dribbled, as Juulie pointed out in post #3 above. If A1 had not yet dribbled, then that pass is just the start of his/her dribble (as long as it touches the floor).

It was taken that A1 had already dribbled as a given, as several other posters implied.

So.....shut up.

[Camron Rust]

I think the real question is really whether it is a pass or a fumble. What can happen next is not an issue once that question is answered.

So, a player starts the motions that looks like a pass but clearly changes his mind and attempts to hold onto the ball before releasing it. If it still slips out, I think that is a fumble since the player didn't intend to release the ball....it slipped from his grasp.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think the real question is really whether it is a pass or a fumble.

Agreed. Any succeeding call depends on that determination.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agreed. Any succeeding call depends on that determination.

As was already explicitly stated (not merely implied) by Camron.

So. . . shut up shuttin' up.