Pre Game

[Dave Dow]

Went to two camps this summer. One of the camps stressed how important pregame and post game meetings are. I have some handouts that outline certin situations to discuss with your partner or partners (3 person). With this vast knowledge on this forum is there anything in your pregame that you stress to your partners and will you share the information with the forum?? Thanks! By the way the loader is parked for the Summer****

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dave Dow

Thanks! By the way the loader is parked for the Summer.

At the bottom of the cliff, where you usually park it?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Dave Dow

Went to two camps this summer. One of the camps stressed how important pregame and post game meetings are. I have some handouts that outline certin situations to discuss with your partner or partners (3 person). With this vast knowledge on this forum is there anything in your pregame that you stress to your partners and will you share the information with the forum?? Thanks! By the way the loader is parked for the Summer****

You've been to two camps. You know stuff.

Will you share with the forum?
mick

[garote]

One that I always use, I usually say more for myself than my partner. OFF-BALL, OFF-BALL, OFF-BALL...any idiot with 3 cents in their pocket can call the ball. The refs that move up are the ones that get the off-ball calls!!!!

[Official99]

Originally Posted by garote

One that I always use, I usually say more for myself than my partner. OFF-BALL, OFF-BALL, OFF-BALL...any idiot with 3 cents in their pocket can call the ball. The refs that move up are the ones that get the off-ball calls!!!!

Thats a great point. Especially if you are trying to move up. Observers like officials that make good calls off-ball... especially in their own area. Very rarely does a game need six eyes on the ball; very rarely does it need four eyes on the ball! Stay home, make the calls and trust your partner. Most experienced referees can tell if their partner is a strong or weak official before they even walk on the floor. You will know before the game even starts if "your" areas are going to be wider (so you can help out and pick up the slack) or smaller (because you are working with a Jim Burr and don't want to over step your boundary).

Another thing I like to talk about is keeping it even. If I make a call at one end of the floor, my partner should know about it so they can make the same call at the other end (if the same or similar situation should happen down there). If the crew is making consistent calls at both ends of the floor, no one can complain.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Dave Dow

Went to two camps this summer. One of the camps stressed how important pregame and post game meetings are. I have some handouts that outline certin situations to discuss with your partner or partners (3 person). With this vast knowledge on this forum is there anything in your pregame that you stress to your partners and will you share the information with the forum?? Thanks! By the way the loader is parked for the Summer****

We have a two-person and three-person pregame form on our association website which lists a lot of the things I talk about with my partners in a pregame conference.

http://www.scboa.com/html/forms.html (page down to "PREGAME CONFERENCE FORMS")

Z

[stewcall]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We have a two-person and three-person pregame form on our association website which lists a lot of the things I talk about with my partners in a pregame conference.

http://www.scboa.com/html/forms.html (page down to "PREGAME CONFERENCE FORMS")

Z

Thanks for the website! Nice one page summary- clear--
Stew in VA

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Dave Dow

Went to two camps this summer. One of the camps stressed how important pregame and post game meetings are. I have some handouts that outline certin situations to discuss with your partner or partners (3 person). With this vast knowledge on this forum is there anything in your pregame that you stress to your partners and will you share the information with the forum?? Thanks! By the way the loader is parked for the Summer****

I think that if you want others to share with you, you should also share with the forum, afterall you went to 2 camps. Spread the wealth

[Dave Dow]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

I think that if you want others to share with you, you should also share with the forum, afterall you went to 2 camps. Spread the wealth

So much with so little space . How to position yourself on the court so you can see better angles. Slow down and relax while working games. Never and I mean never make a travel calll in front of your partner.( can be brought up at half time or the at the closest break) Spacing in the post position between def and off. Don't worry about the quick sand area, you can look from that area too. On lead in a two man go to where the players are so you can see the post position area, but pre game that with your partner so he knows what you are doing. All great women and men who worked Highschool and DivII and DivI. If I can remember just a few things and practice them this year I'll be doing great.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Dave Dow

.... Never and I mean never make a travel calll in front of your partner.( can be brought up at half time or the at the closest break)

Never? Here's a situation for you. Last seconds of a game, it is a 2 point game, shot goes up .... There is a significant travel that for some reason partner didn't see, but the other referee(s) did.

So after the game, your assignor comes in and says great game up until that travel that we didn't get. They ask if anyone else saw it. Yes, I saw it, but I was told at camp, NEVER call traveling in front of my partner. The assingnor says that you all were in line to get some really good playoff games until that moment. That just doesn't fly in this situation. Never is too restrictive and not realistic. Sometimes the C/T officials' primary call is a travel in the post in front of the L. This is something that I cover in pre-game, halftime, and at deadball periods late in close games. Better to be good, than to look good in this situation.

I realize that this next comment is likely to draw criticism, but in talking with various assignors that I work for about this situation, "get the play right, and worry about calling in front of your partner later." The assignor would rather you do this so that they don't have to hear about how the ref's missed one.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Never? Here's a situation for you. Last seconds of a game, it is a 2 point game, shot goes up .... There is a significant travel that for some reason partner didn't see, but the other referee(s) did.

So after the game, your assignor comes in and says great game up until that travel that we didn't get. They ask if anyone else saw it. Yes, I saw it, but I was told at camp, NEVER call traveling in front of my partner. The assingnor says that you all were in line to get some really good playoff games until that moment. That just doesn't fly in this situation. Never is too restrictive and not realistic. Sometimes the C/T officials' primary call is a travel in the post in front of the L. This is something that I cover in pre-game, halftime, and at deadball periods late in close games. Better to be good, than to look good in this situation.

I realize that this next comment is likely to draw criticism, but in talking with various assignors that I work for about this situation, "get the play right, and worry about calling in front of your partner later." The assignor would rather you do this so that they don't have to hear about how the ref's missed one.

I agree that "never" is too restrictive. There are times when an official's primary or secondary coverage area might be in front of a partner. That being said, I think Dave Dow's evaluator probably meant that you should not call a travel that is right in front of your partner when it is not in your primary or secondary coverage area. And I agree (with the exception of an occasional sub-varsity game when I am helping train a brand new official who needs my help in his/her area).

The assignors I work for expect an official to be able to call an obvious travel in their own area. In the end-of-game situation that you bring up, they would want to know why the responsible official missed the obvious travel. They would not want the other two officials ball watching out of their areas.

My assignors expect the other two officials to trust their partners and watch their own areas. What's the point of having 3 officials on the floor if we are all watching the same thing? Who is watching the other 8 players?

Calling a travel that is out of your primary or secondary coverage area is a great way to expose yourself as a ball watcher.

Z

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I agree that "never" is too restrictive. There are times when an official's primary or secondary coverage area might be in front of a partner. That being said, I think Dave Dow's evaluator probably meant that you should not call a travel that is right in front of your partner when it is not in your primary or secondary coverage area. And I agree (with the exception of an occasional sub-varsity game when I am helping train a brand new official who needs my help in his/her area).

The assignors I work for expect an official to be able to call an obvious travel in their own area. In the end-of-game situation that you bring up, they would want to know why the responsible official missed the obvious travel. They would not want the other two officials ball watching out of their areas.

My assignors expect the other two officials to trust their partners and watch their own areas. What's the point of having 3 officials on the floor if we are all watching the same thing? Who is watching the other 8 players?

Calling a travel that is out of your primary or secondary coverage area is a great way to expose yourself as a ball watcher.

Z

Agreed, just merely pointing out that there are exceptions and we must train our brain to recognize them.

Alot of newer officials get told "stay out of my area" and then, when they are on a crew where they are the "veteran," they don't make the adjustment. This is the type of call/no call that can hurt an officials career/confidence (or adversely affects the game), but the intent to respect the primary of another official was coming from a good place because it is so ingrained on them.

[BOBBYMO]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I agree that "never" is too restrictive. There are times when an official's primary or secondary coverage area might be in front of a partner. That being said, I think Dave Dow's evaluator probably meant that you should not call a travel that is right in front of your partner when it is not in your primary or secondary coverage area. And I agree (with the exception of an occasional sub-varsity game when I am helping train a brand new official who needs my help in his/her area).

The assignors I work for expect an official to be able to call an obvious travel in their own area. In the end-of-game situation that you bring up, they would want to know why the responsible official missed the obvious travel. They would not want the other two officials ball watching out of their areas.

My assignors expect the other two officials to trust their partners and watch their own areas. What's the point of having 3 officials on the floor if we are all watching the same thing? Who is watching the other 8 players?

Calling a travel that is out of your primary or secondary coverage area is a great way to expose yourself as a ball watcher.

Z

If you make a travel call right in front of me late in the game when the games on the line and its a travel that I got blocked out of for some reason.............................. I am going to say thanks!!!!