Illegal dribble?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

9-5-3 must be different in some of your books than it is in mine. My book reads:

A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended unless it is after he/she has lost control because of
A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.

Sequence:
Dribble
Dribble ends
Fumble or pass deflected by an opponent
Recovery by A1
Dribble again legally

Yup, that's what 9-5-3 reads in my book too.

Sequence
Dribble
Fumble deflected by an opponent
Dribble ends
Recovery by A1
Dribble again legally

Your sequence is wrong and self-serving. The fumble touched by an opponent ended the dribble. The dribble did not end before the touching. That's why it's legal for A1 to dribble again. That's why I still disagree.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, that's what 9-5-3 reads in my book too.

Sequence
Dribble
Fumble deflected by an opponent
Dribble ends
Recovery by A1
Dribble again legally

Your sequence is wrong and self-serving. The fumble touched by an opponent ended the dribble. The dribble did not end before the touching. That's why it's legal for A1 to dribble again. That's why I still disagree.

Self serving? LOL!

Please explain to me how a dribbler can fumble the ball.

Only a player that is holding the ball can fumble.

There is no fumble when a ball is dribbled off the opponent's foot or any other time a ball is being dribbled.

This maybe the worst argument you have ever made on these boards.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

1) Please explain to me how a dribbler can fumble the ball.

2) This maybe the worst argument you have ever made on these boards.

1) NFHS rule 4-15-5- Interrupted dribble.

2) Give me time. I'll make more.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) NFHS rule 4-15-5- Interrupted dribble.

2) Give me time. I'll make more.

1) Now you're just being silly and obviously egging this on.

How is an interrupted dribble "the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp." A player who is dribbling is not grasping the ball. Okay, you got me...you're wrong and you know it.

2) LOL!

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Why can't bouncing it off another player, whether that player is a teammate or a defender, be ruled a "pass"? Rule 9-5-3 just sez "touched or been touched by another player". If you bounced a ball off of a teammate, could you dribble again? Rule 9-5-3 says so, doesn't it?

And the definition of a pass in R4-31 specifies "another player" too. It doesn't differentiate between a teammate and an opponent.

That's almost as funny as saying an interrupted dribble is a fumble.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's almost as funny as saying an interrupted dribble is a fumble.

OK, the dribbler was trying to pass the ball off his opponent's foot.

Got any rule(s) that can over-rule the direct language of R9-5-3 though? That rule says that it's not an illegal second dribble if the dribbler lost control after a pass touched or was touched by another player. A player is any of the 5 team members of each team who are legally on the floor. The definition of a "pass" also specifies that it has to be at a "player", not a "teammate". Ergo, if the dribbler passes the ball at any player on the floor, and the ball then touches or is touched by that player, the original passer can go get the ball, pick it up and legally dribble.

Rules citation if you think differently.