Comments On NFHS Changes

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Brad

How many times have we been standing next to the coach during a free throw at the end of a game and the coach says, "Ref, give me a time-out on the make." If the NFHS changed the rule, this would technically not be allowed.

Say what?

Technically, this isn't allowed and never has been allowed. The coach must still make the request after the FT is made.

You say "Fine, coach. Give me a request on the make".

[Brad]

Please - I really hope that you are kidding! What kind of game management is that? The coach makes the request, you acknowledge it, and give it to him if the free throw is made.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Brad

Please - I really hope that you are kidding! What kind of game management is that? The coach makes the request, you acknowledge it, and give it to him if the free throw is made.

Nope, not kidding at all.

We train our guys to call it by the rules. Keeps us all outa trouble.

And it has never been technically allowed under NFHS rules.....

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Brad

Please - I really hope that you are kidding! What kind of game management is that? The coach makes the request, you acknowledge it, and give it to him if the free throw is made.

Brad, I'm going to agree to agree with the Jurassic One on this point. I have always asked the coach to give me the request again after the make. Otherwise, there are so many things being done wrong; the TO is requested during a dead ball, but granted only after the ball has become alive, then dead again. In basketball terms, that's a long time later, and certainly not the way the rule is written. Or, what if A is shooting the FT, and it's B's coach asking for the TO to set up his last-shot offense - are you in effect granting a TO while the other team has the ball? What if the coach changes his mind because something else happens, and you stop play even though the coach now doesn't want the TO?

Now, all that said, I agree it's good game management to acknowledge the coach, but I've always asked them to verify the request after the made FT. Most of the time, all the coach has to do is nod their head, and I grant the TO. Once they've made me aware they will want that TO, I'll be aware of that coach, and they won't have to yell or jump in front of me to call it. It just seems as though there are more things that could go wrong if you don't do things "by the book".

[Brad]

To me, it gets us in more trouble when we handle things "technically" rather than recognizing game situations and using common sense. Making the coach jump through hoops by asking us again three seconds later, after the free throw is made, is pretty silly IMHO.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Brad

To me, it gets us in more trouble when we handle things "technically" rather than recognizing game situations and using common sense. Making the coach jump through hoops by asking us again three seconds later, after the free throw is made, is pretty silly IMHO.

Brad, sure glad that you fixed the "search" feature". Here's a good discussion....

Missed request. Two-man.

-edited to fix link...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Brad

To me, it gets us in more trouble when we handle things "technically" rather than recognizing game situations and using common sense. Making the coach jump through hoops by asking us again three seconds later, after the free throw is made, is pretty silly IMHO.

99 times outta 100, it makes perfect sense. But, I don't agree it's making a coach jump through hoops to ask for the TO; in fact, we're giving him a break so he doesn't have to work extra hard to get our attention during that in-bounds play. It's just that 1 time out of 100 that will bite us in the butt if we let that become a habit. What if the coach asks us for the TO, then, while the ball's in the air, the assistant leans over and tells the head coach he's out of TO's. We blow the whistle, and it costs them a T, even though, at the moment he actually can request it, he didn't want it. So, what do you do then? Call it an inadvertant whistle? Then B's coach gets on your case because you just stopped their open fast break.

Again, I agree it's good management to be aware when a TO is coming. But, it still makes more sense to have them make the request when they actually can, by the rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

To me, it gets us in more trouble when we handle things "technically" rather than recognizing game situations and using common sense. Making the coach jump through hoops by asking us again three seconds later, after the free throw is made, is pretty silly IMHO.

Brad,

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. I am not giving a TO without the coach actually making the request at the proper time. I tell them, "You need to ask me when the shot goes." I do not want someone to think I gave him a break or that they did not ask. I have never had a problem with this application. It is kind of like when in baseball a coach tells you he will a half inning from now reenter the starter before he subs in a player. I let them know what they need to do and we move on. I have never had a problem with a coach telling them this.

Peace

[ChuckElias]

For what it's worth, I agree that you require the coach to make the request at the proper time.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

For what it's worth, I agree that you require the coach to make the request at the proper time.

So are you going to make the coach actually say the words "Time-out" or show the little t signal with their hands? Or will direct eye contact and a nod from the coach be enough?

I'm going with the eye contact/nod since they have already communicated it to me - I want the definite request so it doesn't come back to bite me later, but I'm not making them say it in exactly a certain way...

[Kelvin green]

There is nothing wrong with the uniform rules. People will always push things to the max.

We make the kids tuck in their shirts, so what's wrong with telling them their headbands need to be color coordinated...

I am not sure I am a fan of the sweatband below the elbow rule but it will be easy to enforce.

If an official cant enfore a simple jersey requirement what other rules will they choose to ignore becuse it has nothing to do with basketball?

If there is a rule that differs from the NCAA or NBA simply tell the kid that when they get to the NBA they can do it there but even the NBA requires NO Tshirts (geeting a little loose) Tucking in the shirts, length of shorts etc so what's the big deal.

You get paid to enforce the rules.... when I evaluate the first thing that docks points is the blatant violations of the uniform rule...

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Brad

Please - I really hope that you are kidding! What kind of game management is that? The coach makes the request, you acknowledge it, and give it to him if the free throw is made.

I'm with Jurassic on this one. "OK coach, I'll be looking at you to request it if it goes in."

I've seen coaches change their mind at the last second and decide that they really don't want the time-out after all.

Z