Possible intentional foul

[lukealex]

A1 has abreakaway layup. I am T. B1 fouls A1 pretty hard from my point of view. L calls foul, but not intentional. From what I saw I may have called the intentional.

At the next break my partner says he should have called the intentional. Is there anything that I could have done at the point of the play (talk to official about possible intentional call, make the intentional call from the L, etc.) that I could have or should or shouldn't have done?

[ChuckElias]

Sure. Come in fast and ask him, "Could that be intentional?" That gives puts it in his head and gives him the chance to say "Yup, you're right!" or "I don't think so".

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Sure. Come in fast and ask him, "Could that be intentional?" That gives puts it in his head and gives him the chance to say "Yup, you're right!" or "I don't think so".

You see this in the NBA all the time, they get together and make a decision. Nothing wrong with that.

[jeffpea]

This exact situation is something that I like to include in the pre-game. In this situation, the L is oftentimes to close to the play to have a good perspective on the "flagrant foul" decision. If I'm C or T and I think it's a flagrant, I'm coming strong with the signal. I think it's wise to mirror the flagrant signal - if one has it, then at least two should signal the flagrant. It's an easier discussion w/ the coach ("coach, I understand you disagree with that call, however both my partner and I thought it was a flagrant; you'll get the same call at the other end...").

I'd prefer not to have a conference on this, but if we have to, then OK.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

If I'm C or T and I think it's a flagrant, I'm coming strong with the signal. I think it's wise to mirror the flagrant signal -

What's the "flagrant" signal?

[tnzebra]

Arms crossed in an x...... do you guys like to give this signal in front of you (like I do) or do you give it above your head like I have seen some do????

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tnzebra

Arms crossed in an x...... do you guys like to give this signal in front of you (like I do) or do you give it above your head like I have seen some do????

Actually, I don't like to use that signal at all for a flagrant foul...works great for an Intentional foul - at which point I signal it above my head like the mechanics manual show...but it's not the signal for a flagrant foul...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tnzebra

Arms crossed in an x......

Unfortunately that is not the signal for a flagrant foul. There is no signal for a flagrant foul at all.

Peace

[Ref_ Fred]

NFHS POE for Intentional foul.

The committee continues to be concerned about how games end. While there has been some improvement in the application of the rule, there is still need for further understanding and enforcement. An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position. Contact away from the ball or when not making a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting, shall be intentional. Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent.

Above is the interpretation of NFHS of what an intentional foul is. If you are administering NFHS rules and you see it to be intentional, You can confer with your partner. Always pull him to the side and discuss it. If he still believe it to be different, then he live and dies by his call.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unfortunately that is not the signal for a flagrant foul.

Unless it's maybe an intentional flagrant. . .

[Dribble]

Another thread on this?!?

[crazy voyager]

I think you should get the fiba sign, it's really good actually
both arms straight up with fists closed

[Oz Referee]

Originally Posted by tnzebra

Arms crossed in an x...... do you guys like to give this signal in front of you (like I do) or do you give it above your head like I have seen some do????

That's the signal for a double foul in FIBA.


The signal for an unsportsmanlike foul (aka intentional or flagrent) is one hand clasping the other wrist above the head. A disqualifying foul is both fists held straight up above the head

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Sure. Come in fast and ask him, "Could that be intentional?" That gives puts it in his head and gives him the chance to say "Yup, you're right!" or "I don't think so".

Had this exact same sitch a couple weeks ago. I was T in a two-person game, fast break layup, kind of a hip check on the already-airborne shooter, though not flagrant. Two bodies on the floor - hard. Partner comes out with fist raised, but no "X". I jog in like I normally would, make eye contact, and subtly make the "X" sign, low in front of my chest a couple times to give him the hint. Sure enough, after a few seconds, he signalled intentional. No one b*tched.

[eiguaram55ref]

Originally Posted by crazy voyager

I think you should get the fiba sign, it's really good actually
both arms straight up with fists closed

correct me if i'm wrong---both arm straight up with fists closed is
DISQUALIFYING FOUL during my FIBA time...

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