Backcourt

[COBBallRef]

A2 tips an offensive rebound into the backcourt, A1 Is the first to touch and gain possesion. Is a controled tip considered team control? If not, this is not a backcourt violation in H.S.(correct)?

A1 passes to A2 in the front court, B1 touches the ball and it deflects off A2 into the back court. A1 is the first to touch an gain possesion. Is this a violation? Team A was the last to touch the ball or did they no longer have team control?:

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by COBBallRef

A2 tips an offensive rebound into the backcourt, A1 Is the first to touch and gain possesion. Is a controled tip considered team control? If not, this is not a backcourt violation in H.S.(correct)?

Correct

Originally Posted by COBBallRef

A1 passes to A2 in the front court, B1 touches the ball and it deflects off A2 into the back court. A1 is the first to touch an gain possesion. Is this a violation? Team A was the last to touch the ball or did they no longer have team control?:

Violation, they still have team control.

[mick]

What All Heart said.

[M&M Guy]

COBBallRef - welcome to the forum!

For there to be a backcourt violation, remember the basics:
1. - Team A has control in the front court.
2. - Team A is the last to touch ball before it goes in the backcourt.
3. - Team A is the first to touch ball in the backcourt.

Using those basics, in your first scenario, there is no team control on a shot and rebounding tip, so #1 doesn't exist and no violation. In your second scenario, all three points exist, so there is a violation. Team control doesn't end just because player control ends.

Backcourt violation is a topic widely discussed around here. One of our "esteemed members" has a yearly quiz on this subject; you can find the latest version at:

BACKCOURT VIOLATION QUIZ

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

What All Heart said.

What? Isn't that answer too short?

[mick]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What? Isn't that answer too short?

No

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

No

Oh.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Oh.

How did you guys do that?

Secret society or sumthin'?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How did you guys do that?

Secret society or sumthin'?

Yep. We took a poll and figured out how to do it, then started our own little club.

Hint: Do a "Quote" on one of our posts...

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How did you guys do that?

My guess is that the quotation counts toward the number of characters needed.

[M&M Guy]

No.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

COBBallRef - welcome to the forum!

For there to be a backcourt violation, remember the basics:
1. - Team A has control in the front court.

Basically correct, but could be misinterpreted. There must be team control, and the ball must have frontcourt status; but Team A doesn't have to be holding or passing the ball in the frontcourt.

If A1 is holding the ball in the backcourt and then bounces it into the frontcourt with enough backspin that it comes back to him in the backcourt, that would be a violation; even tho no member of Team A "had" the ball in the frontcourt.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Basically correct, but could be misinterpreted. There must be team control, and the ball must have frontcourt status; but Team A doesn't have to be holding or passing the ball in the frontcourt.

If A1 is holding the ball in the backcourt and then bounces it into the frontcourt with enough backspin that it comes back to him in the backcourt, that would be a violation; even tho no member of Team A "had" the ball in the frontcourt.

Chuck - you're right; it's just that I wanted to keep it short like my hero, "Cliff". I read his notes all the time.

[tjones1]

If you want to see live examples of the backcourt violation, watch M&M, if he calls it, you'll what's not a backcourt violation. I'm only kidding, of course.

M&M, I ran into Bryan Pierce last night at the Lake Land College All-Star game. We had a lot of fun... it was a good time. The final score was 131-128.

[MajorCord]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

COBBallRef - welcome to the forum!

For there to be a backcourt violation, remember the basics:
1. - Team A has control in the front court.
2. - Team A is the last to touch ball before it goes in the backcourt.
3. - Team A is the first to touch ball in the backcourt.

Using those basics, in your first scenario, there is no team control on a shot and rebounding tip, so #1 doesn't exist and no violation. In your second scenario, all three points exist, so there is a violation. Team control doesn't end just because player control ends.

Backcourt violation is a topic widely discussed around here. One of our "esteemed members" has a yearly quiz on this subject; you can find the latest version at:

BACKCOURT VIOLATION QUIZ

Aahhh! So BBR has been "outed" as one of the mysterious "esteemed members". Can you say "Valerie Plame"?