Signing Score Book!?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mick

...A tricky wicket.
I wonder if the game is not over until the book is signed, or if the game is over so why sign the book.
mick

As I stated signing the book is not tied to the game being over. It is only for rating purposes.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

As I stated signing the book is not tied to the game being over. It is only for rating purposes.

Peace

Jeff (actually, either one) - do you know why they would ask for the book to be signed after the game? I've understand putting my name and number in the book, but I've always done it before the game. I would be curious as to the IHSA's reasoning behind the official doing it afterwards, especially if it was a close, contentious game?

[JRutledge]

I do not think I said it really matters other than just signing the book to get the proper information in the book. Usually officials sign the book before the game. I do not think it really matters when you do it other than it would be better to sign the book before the game so you do not have to deal with someone after the game.

Peace

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Jeff (actually, either one) - do you know why they would ask for the book to be signed after the game? I've understand putting my name and number in the book, but I've always done it before the game. I would be curious as to the IHSA's reasoning behind the official doing it afterwards, especially if it was a close, contentious game?

What JRut and I are talking about are two completely different things. JRut is taking about the officials listing their names and IHSA numbers in the scorebook for identificatin purposes prior to the game. I am talking specifically about the R signing (like placing your signature on a legal document) the official scorers book after the game has concluded to approve the final score of a state tournament game. Use the following link; go to Section VII, G "Rules of Play", #4 (pg 7) - This is the "Terms & Conditions" document from the IHSA regarding the state tournament.

http://www.ihsa.org/tc/2005-06/bkbtc.pdf

This specifically states what I have mentioned above. As I've stated before, most officials I've talked to don't know of this requirement and do not implement this practice during the state tournament.

Hopefully that clears this up. As others have said before, I do not believe there is a FED rule/requirement to sign the score book at any time.

[JRutledge]

Well I have never had anyone take these statements literally. I have only had the signing we normally do as the confirmation of the final score when we actually leave the floor. The rules do say that when the officials leave the visual confines of the floor that is approval of the final score. I think that statement in that document has not been updated since the NF clarified several years back that officials did not actually have to sign the book. I am sure it is just one of those things that no one complains about and no one has brought to the IHSA's attention and it has never been change as a result. In my limited playoff career, I have never once had a single person ever try to bring the book to us to “approve the score.” I think this is more of an oversight than an actual enforced policy.

Peace

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well I have never had anyone take these statements literally. I have only had the signing we normally do as the confirmation of the final score when we actually leave the floor. The rules do say that when the officials leave the visual confines of the floor that is approval of the final score. I think that statement in that document has not been updated since the NF clarified several years back that officials did not actually have to sign the book. I am sure it is just one of those things that no one complains about and no one has brought to the IHSA's attention and it has never been change as a result. In my limited playoff career, I have never once had a single person ever try to bring the book to us to “approve the score.” I think this is more of an oversight than an actual enforced policy.

Peace

C'mon JRut - just admit it. I'm right (with documentation to prove it) and you're wrong! nah, nah, na, nah, nah, naaaahhhhh!....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

C'mon JRut - just admit it. I'm right (with documentation to prove it) and you're wrong! nah, nah, na, nah, nah, naaaahhhhh!....

Right about what?

According to you we were talking about two different things. I am just telling you that no one in the 5 different regionals basketball (Class A and AA) I have worked ever made an issue out of the officials signing the book for score approval other than this post. You are the first I have ever come in contact with that stated this was even a policy. I did once read this statement, but no one ever said to follow it or else. Also I was talking about signing the book before the game you were talking about a post-season policy.

Peace

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

What JRut and I are talking about are two completely different things. JRut is taking about the officials listing their names and IHSA numbers in the scorebook for identificatin purposes prior to the game. I am talking specifically about the R signing (like placing your signature on a legal document) the official scorers book after the game has concluded to approve the final score of a state tournament game. Use the following link; go to Section VII, G "Rules of Play", #4 (pg 7) - This is the "Terms & Conditions" document from the IHSA regarding the state tournament.

http://www.ihsa.org/tc/2005-06/bkbtc.pdf

This specifically states what I have mentioned above. As I've stated before, most officials I've talked to don't know of this requirement and do not implement this practice during the state tournament.

Hopefully that clears this up. As others have said before, I do not believe there is a FED rule/requirement to sign the score book at any time.

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You don't sign your name to anything for ratings. You just give both coaches your name and number before the game. I don't know of anything in Illinois asking for a signature at the end of the game except for volleyball. You do sign the official scorekeeper's book at the end of a game in volleyball. I can't remember if you do in Indiana or not.