Never had this happen?

[GFS-1]

I was ask to Ref a 5th Grade Tounament Game. One of the Coaches during the
game is yelling at me "I've got 3 girls crying and there's no foul" My responce
was "Since when is crying a foul". With about 5min to go before halftime I called
a Technical Foul on that Coaches player for throwing a elbow. After the foul
shots were taken she wanted a time out. Thought it would be best to give her
a Time Out to settle her team down. They broke the huddle and the whole team
went and sat on the beach, the Coach called me over to say "Were done here"
"We Quit" I said are you sure you want to do this in front of all these fans.
She said yes. Wow I just shook my head in disbeleaf. I would be surprised come
Monday evening if she is still the head Coach of that program. And I'am sure I'll
be talking to the OHSAA about this one.
Any suggestions?

Nice new look to the Forum
GFS-1

[ChuckElias]

Write the report, if there's anyone to submit it to. Include only the facts and the comments from coaches and players that you directly heard. If you have the info, or can get it, include the score and time remaining when the game was forfeited.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by GFS-1

I was ask to Ref a 5th Grade Tounament Game. One of the Coaches during the
game is yelling at me "I've got 3 girls crying and there's no foul" My responce
was "Since when is crying a foul". With about 5min to go before halftime I called
a Technical Foul on that Coaches player for throwing a elbow. After the foul
shots were taken she wanted a time out. Thought it would be best to give her
a Time Out to settle her team down. They broke the huddle and the whole team
went and sat on the beach, the Coach called me over to say "Were done here"
"We Quit" I said are you sure you want to do this in front of all these fans.
She said yes. Wow I just shook my head in disbeleaf. I would be surprised come
Monday evening if she is still the head Coach of that program. And I'am sure I'll
be talking to the OHSAA about this one.
Any suggestions?

Nice new look to the Forum
GFS-1

With apologies to Tom Hanks: "Crying? There's no crying in basketball."

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GFS-1

1) With about 5min to go before halftime I called
a Technical Foul on that Coaches player for throwing a elbow.

2)After the foul shots were taken she wanted a time out. Thought it would be best to give her a Time Out to settle her team down.

Just a coupla technical points from the rules:

1) You can't call a technical foul for an elbow unless the ball was dead at the time. Even then, it would have to be an intentional or flagrant technical foul if contact was involved. If the elbow occurred during a live ball, it's a violation if the elbow misses, and a personal foul of some kind (PC, TC, common, intentional, flagrant) if the elbow connects.

2) There's no thinking as to whether you would grant the time-out or not. If the request is made while the ball is dead or in her team's possession, you have to grant that coach's request. You can't turn it down except for some very specific circumstances at the start or end of a game or an overtime period.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With apologies to Tom Hanks: "Crying? There's no crying in basketball."

MTD, Sr.

Unless you play for Gonzaga or Duke......

Or you are an Ohio State fan.....

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) You can't call a technical foul for an elbow unless the ball was dead at the time.

Really? If somebody lines up an opponent's chin with an elbow, but misses, I'm going with a T. No violation there. The fact that it's not specifically listed in unsporting acts does not imply that you can't rule it that way. You go for the head, you're not getting away with it just b/c you missed.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Really? If somebody lines up an opponent's chin with an elbow, but misses, I'm going with a T. No violation there. The fact that it's not specifically listed in unsporting acts does not imply that you can't rule it that way. You go for the head, you're not getting away with it just b/c you missed.

If it feels good.....

I can't argue with that logic too much. You could also call it "fighting" if the opponent retaliated to the elbow by throwing a punch.

I was referring to your ordinary, run-of-the-mill elbow, but there could be exceptions.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With apologies to Tom Hanks: "Crying? There's no crying in basketball."

MTD, Sr.

According to what we all witnessed after UCLAs win in the Regional Semi, I would tend to disagree.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If it feels good.....

I can't argue with that logic too much. You could also call it "fighting" if the opponent retaliated to the elbow by throwing a punch.

I was referring to your ordinary, run-of-the-mill elbow, but there could be exceptions.

I agree, if a player throws a non-contact elbow I will most likely have a flagrant T.

[dave30]

Enjoy the forfeit ! You still get paid !

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Really? If somebody lines up an opponent's chin with an elbow, but misses, I'm going with a T. No violation there. The fact that it's not specifically listed in unsporting acts does not imply that you can't rule it that way. You go for the head, you're not getting away with it just b/c you missed.

Chuck:

You have made a very good point. There is a difference between excessively swinging one's elbows and attempting to hit an opponent with an elbow and missing.

MTD, Sr.

[Texas Aggie]

The thing I would do under this situation, as far as the coach saying they wanted to quit, is to emphasize for as long as he or she will remain and listen to me is that you do NOT want to do this. It is setting a VERY bad example for the players and will only get you in a LOT of trouble depending upon the league authority. If that doesn't work, have the coach of the other team go and give it a whirl.

If this is an inseason game in Texas, I will tell the coach point blank: "coach, if you leave the floor with your team, it is very likely you will be suspended for the year and there is a very good chance you are putting your job in jeapordy. You and your team need to stay on the floor." After that, you don't have control of what happens.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GFS-1

I was ask to Ref a 5th Grade Tounament Game. One of the Coaches during the
game is yelling at me "I've got 3 girls crying and there's no foul" My responce
was "Since when is crying a foul". With about 5min to go before halftime I called
a Technical Foul on that Coaches player for throwing a elbow. After the foul
shots were taken she wanted a time out. Thought it would be best to give her
a Time Out to settle her team down. They broke the huddle and the whole team
went and sat on the beach, the Coach called me over to say "Were done here"
"We Quit" I said are you sure you want to do this in front of all these fans.
She said yes. Wow I just shook my head in disbeleaf. I would be surprised come
Monday evening if she is still the head Coach of that program. And I'am sure I'll
be talking to the OHSAA about this one.
Any suggestions?

Nice new look to the Forum
GFS-1

First of all this is a 5th grade game I would not worry about it. Coaches at this level are there for a reason. If they understood how to coach or had any coaching ability or basketball background, they would be working somewhere else.

What would the OHSAA have to do with this at all if you do not mind me asking? Is this not a "high school association?"

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The thing I would do under this situation, as far as the coach saying they wanted to quit, is to emphasize for as long as he or she will remain and listen to me is that you do NOT want to do this. It is setting a VERY bad example for the players and will only get you in a LOT of trouble depending upon the league authority. If that doesn't work, have the coach of the other team go and give it a whirl.

If this is an inseason game in Texas, I will tell the coach point blank: "coach, if you leave the floor with your team, it is very likely you will be suspended for the year and there is a very good chance you are putting your job in jeapordy. You and your team need to stay on the floor." After that, you don't have control of what happens.

I disagree completely with your philosophy.

It ain't our job to tell a coach what to do ever. It ain't our job to argue with 'em, convince 'em of anything, or try to talk 'em into anything. It also ain't our job to ever threaten a coach with a suspension or a possible job loss; saying something like that could come back and bite you in the butt later on big time. You've already got one extremely pissed-off coach. If you now try to threaten or lecture him, you're only gonna make her madder and possibly escalate a bad situation into a worse one.

Just react to what's going on and say as little as possible. Tell the coach that he's got one minute to put her team on the floor and get the timer to start the clock. If the minute runs down and she's not ready to go, forfeit the game. Then you just write it up as completely as possible and hand it into their league administration or whover handles these cases. It's their job to decide what happens next, not our's.

Jmo.

[26 Year Gap]

And how would we react if a coach told us OUR job was in jeopardy? Don't go there.