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I just got off the conference call and I brought up a couple of situations that we've discussed recently involving double fouls.
1) Team B scores. While A1 has the ball OOB for the throw-in after the score, A2 and B2 foul each other at the same time. Does Team A retain the privilege of running the endline? Peter Webb's answer is no. The ensuing throw-in is not the result of a score, but of a double foul. This is not a common foul, therefore the throw-in is from a designated spot. 2) A1 and B1 create a held ball. The alternating possession arrow favors Team A. While A1 has the ball OOB for the AP throw-in, A2 and B2 foul each other at the same time. Will the arrow be switched after the resulting throw-in? Peter Webb's answer is no. Team A never completed its AP throw-in and the ensuing throw-in is NOT an AP throw-in. Therefore, the arrow is not switched. The call ran long and I did not bring up the question about the varsity player that dunks during the JV halftime. I think that we hashed that one out pretty well on the forum, tho. No T, right? Just passing it along.
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Neat stuff. I remember Pete Webb coming to my first IAABO class back in 1976 while I was a student at UMaine.
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I said this from the get-go. Of course, I still want to hear it from the NFHS.
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Isn't that what I said? MTD, Sr.
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Chuck, thanks for sharing that. It does lend something to our hashing these plays out on here, on the other hand none of us, including Peter Webb, is going to have the final say on this. So, I guess we're stuck waiting for next year's clarifications and interps from the NFHS.
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I have no idea how these things work. Do IAABO interpreters communicate and/or work closely with NFHS? Might Peter Webb have consulted with NFHS before reporting his interpretation? Are they, in any way, competitors for money or anything else?
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Peter Webb, is both the IAABO State Interpreter for Maine and the State Interpreter for the Maine Principals Association (which is the member organization to the NFHS) which is the StateHSAA for Maine. Peter spent two terms on the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee, and is considered by many to be the formost rules person regarding NFHS basketball Rules. He is also the Laison between IAABO and NFHS. MTD, Sr.
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JR: Being and IAABO Board rules intepreter is no different than being the rules interpreter for any local basketball officials association. An interpreter is an official who has studied the rules in detail, knows the rules, casebook, and officials manual forwards and backwards, as well has an understanding of the history of how the rules have been developled. I would also say that since he served two terms on the NFHS Rules Committee and still represents the Maine Principals Association (a member of the NFHS) to the NFHS Rules Committee, I would say (as well as many other people who have positions of authority in the various StateHSAA's around the country) that Peter Webb is the formost expert on NFHS rules in the country. And from Chuck's telephone conversation with Peter, it sounds like Peter gave the same interpretations that I gave per the NFHS Rules. MTD, Sr,
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Our state interpreter does call Peter for rules clarifications from time to time. The rulings he makes DO extend beyond Maine, but they are IAABO rulings. Our interpreter is on the rules committee for the next term. I will certainly mention the players calling time out as a thing to consider.
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However, that really has nothing to do with the point that Nevada made and I agreed with though. Any interpretations that Peter gives out are still only valid in the state where he is the person officially speaking for that particular state's governing association. His interpretations are not valid outside of Maine, unless an official interpreter/governing body responsible for a different state, say MASS, also issues a similar interpretation agreeing with it. Correct? |
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There is no such animal as an IAABO interpretation. If you ask the interpreter of an IAABO Board for an interpretation for a game played under NFHS or NCAA rules, he will give you an intepretation using those rules just like anyother local basketball officials association interpreter would do. MTD, Sr.
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