Teams pointed the wrong way.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by ctpfive
What if the coach who is trying to fool the other team asked you not to tell them

Nope - it's in our mechanics to point and verbalize. He's basically (unknowingly) asking for us to not follow procedure.

Originally posted by ctpfive
"don't tell the other team, we are trying to fool them". ... as soon as the teams started to come out onto the floor he told them that it was white ball and pointed that direction.

Good Referee. He did the right thing, and was not reluctant to do it, and by doing so, showed that the coach cannot influence him.

[mick]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee

Nope - it's in our mechanics to point and verbalize. He's basically (unknowingly) asking for us to not follow procedure.

I'm with you, JugglingReferee.
Been there.
Done that.
Bought the shirt.
mick

[som44]

What would happen if after the first team scored (in the basket they were pointed to), a player from Team B realized they shot at the "wrong" basket and upon receiving the inbounds pass he too shot at the same basket. His thinking would be that should be his basket. I know what the rules say but what would you do in this case?

[mick]

Originally posted by som44
What would happen if after the first team scored (in the basket they were pointed to), a player from Team B realized they shot at the "wrong" basket and upon receiving the inbounds pass he too shot at the same basket. His thinking would be that should be his basket. I know what the rules say but what would you do in this case?

Hmmm. Dunno, som44.
I guess I'd allow both baskets with a score of 2-2.
...And I should probably thank that Team B player for getting me straight.
mick

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by som44
What would happen if after the first team scored (in the basket they were pointed to)

In Fed ball, by definition of rule, you score in your own basket. So if the first team with possession scores on the basket they were pointed to, all is well.

Originally posted by som44
a player from Team B realized they shot at the "wrong" basket

Since the first team did not shoot at the wrong basket, B's thinking is flawed.

Originally posted by som44
and upon receiving the inbounds pass he too shot at the same basket. His thinking would be that should be his basket. I know what the rules say but what would you do in this case?

B scored on A's basket. Two more points for A. B inbounds. For A to deliberately subseuqently inbounding the ball is (I believe) a technical foul. (Can someone confirm?) If the official sees that A is takign the ball OOB, this is a good time for preventative officiating.

Edit: after reading mick's asnwer, did I miss something?

[Dribble]

Originally posted by ctpfive
I reffed a varsity boys game the other night and the white team came out at the end of a period knowing which basket was theirs but went to the other end anyway. White team has the ball out. Black team sets up to play defense at their own basket(where the white team is currently standing pretending that they are going to play offense at that end, which isn't theirs). One of the white teams players runs to the other end of the court for an uncontested lay up off the throw in. The black team finaly realizing that they just got schooled ran to the other end to throw ball in. What is your take on this?

Legal play as long as they don't have a 10-second backcourt violation. I hope you indicated the direction of play to save your own behind.

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by ctpfive
What if the coach who is trying to fool the other team asked you not to tell them, as they proceeded to line up at the wrong basket on purpose. It happened to me - the coach said to me "don't tell the other team, we are trying to fool them". This was a back and forth game with many lead changes, and a big game to determine end of season standings. My partner was referee, and as soon as the teams started to come out onto the floor he told them that it was white ball and pointed that direction. Is this the proper mechanic to yell out the color of the team that has the ball and point in that direction? There is a possession arrow already pointing that way....If I was the referee in this particular case I may have been a little reluctant to point out the direction and yell out the color of the team who had the ball(which I normally do, but this time the coach asked me not to.....which I could care less what he asks me[I am not completely cold to coaches] - but does he have a case here)?


[Edited by ctpfive on Feb 20th, 2006 at 04:14 PM]

This play is _way_ old! I was not above trying it . . .

In the Officials Manual, it is mandated (109(k)) that the "Umpire (Center in a crew of three) inform the coaches as to which team will have possession for the throw-in to start the third quarter."

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
If I'm the R, at the end the 2nd half, and before the coaches/players leave the benches, I point and verbalize which team has the ball for the second half throw-in. I see many coaches looking at me.

What are you doing announcing which team has the ball for the second half throw-in at the end of the 2nd half?

[mick]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
... after reading mick's asnwer, did I miss something?

Hey, JugglingReferee.
Careful following this blind man.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
What are you doing announcing which team has the ball for the second half throw-in at the end of the 2nd half?

So that coaches can plan their half-time talk accordingly.