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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 07:58pm
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I'm at work and don't have a rulebook handy, so I'll solicit input. This play happened in a play-off game (ugh), and I got it from an official-friend of mine who was on the clock for the game.
Teams are pointed the wrong way to start the game. Team A wins the tip and hits a three-point shot on the first possession. Clock-keeper realizes what's happened and sounds the horn and beckons the referee to the table. The referee wiped the three, awarded team B two points (reasoning being that a team can't score three points in the wrong basket), then gave team A the ball going in the correct direction. 1) What should have been done? 2) What should have been done if nobody had noticed until the score was 8-7? 
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 08:04pm
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1. Let team A keep their points. Turn the teams the right direction. Continue the game.
2. If it was 8-7, turn the teams the right direction, and play on.
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 08:18pm
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Say the teams are pointed the wrong, Team A wins the jump, doesn't commit an O/B violation, and nails this "3-pointer", and during the whole time, Team B knew the player was going the wrong way, played no defense, and let A1 "shoot".
Is that enough of an argument to award B the 2 points?
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 08:19pm
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Here's the pertinent rules citation....Rule 4-5-4--"If by mistake the officials permit a team to go in the wrong direction, when discovered all points scored, fouls committed, and time consumed shall count as if each team had gone the proper direction. Play shall resume with each team going the proper direction based on bench location".
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 08:41pm
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 08:49pm
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Don't make things harder than they need to be.
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 09:05pm
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5.2.1 SITUATION E: During the pregame practice period, the visiting team properly uses the east goal and the home team the west goal. The officials, by mistake, allow the jumpers to face the wrong direction to start the game. A1 controls the tap by tapping the ball back to A2. A2, realizing that he/she had warmed up at the basket behind A1, dribbles to that basket and scores an uncontested basket. RULING: Score the basket for Team A. The officials should stop the game and emphasize to both teams the proper direction. The mistake is an official's error by allowing A1 and B1 to face the wrong direction; not a correctable error. Bottom line: Better get those jumpers facing the proper directions!
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Wed Feb 15, 2006, 09:13pm
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I don't think I have any argument even if the rule doesn't get cited to me.  Quote:
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Thu Feb 16, 2006, 12:08pm
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5.2.1 SITUATION E seems to me to create a particularly ugly wrong: the game has barely started and, through the officials' brain-cramp, Team A is up 2-0. I suppose the ruling seeks to be consistent with the general case that you can't unwind what's happened with the ball alive and the clock running. But in this case, where the uncontestedness of the basket will almost certainly call attention to the confusion, why not make an exception that says, for an uncontested first basket enabled by the officials' failure to point the teams in the correct direction, start the game again?
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Fri Feb 17, 2006, 03:51pm
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I reffed a varsity boys game the other night and the white team came out at the end of a period knowing which basket was theirs but went to the other end anyway. White team has the ball out. Black team sets up to play defense at their own basket(where the white team is currently standing pretending that they are going to play offense at that end, which isn't theirs). One of the white teams players runs to the other end of the court for an uncontested lay up off the throw in. The black team finaly realizing that they just got schooled ran to the other end to throw ball in. What is your take on this?
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Fri Feb 17, 2006, 04:05pm
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Fri Feb 17, 2006, 04:20pm
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 Makes me appreciate the coaches that always know what is going on. If I'm the R, at the end the 2nd half, and before the coaches/players leave the benches, I point and verbalize which team has the ball for the second half throw-in. I see many coaches looking at me.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006, 04:12pm
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What if the coach who is trying to fool the other team asked you not to tell them, as they proceeded to line up at the wrong basket on purpose. It happened to me - the coach said to me "don't tell the other team, we are trying to fool them". This was a back and forth game with many lead changes, and a big game to determine end of season standings. My partner was referee, and as soon as the teams started to come out onto the floor he told them that it was white ball and pointed that direction. Is this the proper mechanic to yell out the color of the team that has the ball and point in that direction? There is a possession arrow already pointing that way....If I was the referee in this particular case I may have been a little reluctant to point out the direction and yell out the color of the team who had the ball(which I normally do, but this time the coach asked me not to.....which I could care less what he asks me[I am not completely cold to coaches] - but does he have a case here)?
[Edited by ctpfive on Feb 20th, 2006 at 04:14 PM]
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