Varsity player dunks during JV halftime - Page 6

Ignats75 · #76 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 01:38pm

deecee--

Don't misconstrue. There's no way I would go the "not in the book" route. What surprised me as that an official interpreter said that was what should be done.

deecee · #77 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 01:44pm

and hes not in the book now what?

you have to add him -- automatic administration T as well -- by rule

why not T up a fan who dunks?

Ref in PA · #78 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:04pm

Last Friday I did a boys JV game and was the R. At 11:00 I go check the book. Home team has 9 in the book, 10 on the floor. I go the JV Coach.

Me: Coach, we have a problem. You have nine in the book and ten on the floor.

Coach: Let me see ... Oh. The tenth is a varsity player.

Me: Coach, do you want to add him to your roster?

Coach: Why would I want to do that?

Me: Why is he out on the floor for the JV game?

Coach: We always have some varsity players that want to warm up early.

Me: Is he playing in your game?

Coach: No. I told you he is just warming up.

Me: Please pull him from the floor if he is not part of your team.

Coach: (grumble, grumble, grumble) (coach pulls kid off the floor).

I guess coaches don't realize they make our job harder when they allow stuff like this to go on.

deecee · #79 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:07pm

if anything hes taking away from the kids who need to play. as long as hes not doing anything wrong i dont think you can tell a coach what you did -- but then again im probably wrong

WhistlesAndStripes · #80 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:22pm

I've seen a couple of you, Chuck and Brad, use the logic that "if he's in the book, he's a team member, so whack him, but if he's not in the book, then warn and leave it alone."

That is flawed logic. Let's say it's the middle of the period and coach sends A33 to check in. Table notifies you that A33 is not in the book. Sure enough, he's not listed at all, even with a wrong number. How do you respond here? "Sorry coach, he's not in the book, so he's not a team member. Make him go sit in the stands now." ? I don't think so.

WhistlesAndStripes · #81 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:31pm

OK, I've read 4 pages and I'm starting to laugh at some of this $hit now. This is getting good, and I just can't pass this up.

Let's say that at halftime of the V game, there is a mascot slam dunk contest. Starter A2 from the home team dons the team's mascot suit, and that suit is dressed with a varsity uniform, the number on which just so happens to match the number of the player wearing the costume?

You gonna T 'em up for this too?

Sorry, just couldn't resist.

deecee · #82 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:35pm

when coach tries and puts A33 in the game and hes not in either book (its not a minor admin error -- like the home team just didnt copy his number down) -- then hes allowed to play and once you beckon him in -- you assess a T to the home team.

you dont send him back to the bench -- a team can have 20 players warm up and 8 in the book and that is fine -- its only a problem if one of the other 12 enter the game then its a technical.

WhistlesAndStripes · #83 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ignats75
However, the rules interpreter saying to add him into the JV book and wack the coach again, seems heavy handed. Even if a coach is the victim.

Wack the coach again? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a book T is a TEAM TECHNICAL, and NOT on the coach, direct OR indirect. So the only T on the coach in this situation that I see so far is the indirect when you charged the V player for dunking.

ChuckElias · #84 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:39pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
"if he's in the book, he's a team member, so whack him, but if he's not in the book, then warn and leave it alone."

That is flawed logic. Let's say it's the middle of the period and coach sends A33 to check in. Table notifies you that A33 is not in the book. Sure enough, he's not listed at all, even with a wrong number. How do you respond here? "Sorry coach, he's not in the book, so he's not a team member. Make him go sit in the stands now." ?

The only logic that is flawed is yours, W&S. You're using a very weak analogy. In other words, you're comparing apples to oranges. In the first case, if the kid is not in the book, you can draw the conclusion with reasonable certainty that the kid is not on the team. But in the second case, even if the kid is not in the book, you have to conclude that he is on the team, since the coach is sending him in to play.

Apples and oranges.

Besides, checking the book is only one way of many to find out if the kid is on the JV team during halftime.

WhistlesAndStripes · #85 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally posted by deecee
when coach tries and puts A33 in the game and hes not in either book (its not a minor admin error -- like the home team just didnt copy his number down) -- then hes allowed to play and once you beckon him in -- you assess a T to the home team.

you dont send him back to the bench -- a team can have 20 players warm up and 8 in the book and that is fine -- its only a problem if one of the other 12 enter the game then its a technical.

I understand that deecee. I was just kind of trying to fight absurdity with absurdity.

deecee · #86 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:42pm

then you win i guess

WhistlesAndStripes · #87 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 14, 2006, 03:42pm

I love you all. And it was nice to see Brad make an appearance in this thread. I've missed him. It's a shame that he didn't take care of this thread before it got to this point, where I see this:

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every time I go to make a new post or reply on this thread.

coach41 · #88 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 15, 2006, 02:01am

If I may add some levity to the situation......if a player is to dunk during warmups/halftime....at least MAKE IT.

Seriously now, I reffed a JV Boys several years ago. During halftime, one of the JV players (not varsity) tried to dunk. The kid was an athletic high jumper type so I think he was just trying to see if he could get high enough to dunk the ball rather than show off.

My partner didn't see it, but I did. After thinking about it for a second, I decided to assess the technical. THe JV coach was a little surprised I would T the kid for that. However, I figured it would be a good lesson.

WhistlesAndStripes · #89 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 15, 2006, 04:47am

Quote:

Originally posted by coach41
If I may add some levity to the situation......if a player is to dunk during warmups/halftime....at least MAKE IT.

Seriously now, I reffed a JV Boys several years ago. During halftime, one of the JV players (not varsity) tried to dunk. The kid was an athletic high jumper type so I think he was just trying to see if he could get high enough to dunk the ball rather than show off.

My partner didn't see it, but I did. After thinking about it for a second, I decided to assess the technical. THe JV coach was a little surprised I would T the kid for that. However, I figured it would be a good lesson.

But if he MISSED it, is it really a dunk?

lmeadski · #90 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 15, 2006, 08:22am

we had a varsity player dunk at halftime of the JV game last night (the first thing I thought of was this post and that I believed this situation would never happen!). He wasnt in his uniform, but, we confirmed he was a varsity player. My partner and I decided if the opposing JV or Varsity coach complained we would T him up (both witnessed the event). We waited a few moments then approached the offending party's JV coach (who was in the locker room when he did it) and told him a varsity player dunked while he was away. We told him a technical could be assessed for the action and that he would get the seatbelt for the whole second half. We offered it as a warning and told him the next infraction would be a T. He called the varsity captain over and must have told him to relay the message to the offender. Happy but rattled coach (it was a 3 point game at halftime).