Halftime of JV boys game. Varsity player, in uniform with warmup top, joins the JV players for shoot-around. He dunks while the refs are on the court.
Is this varsity player a "team member" and thus given a T for the ilegal dunk? 4-34-4 says a team member is "a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player." 4-34-2 says bench personnel are "all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s)." Our board interpreter said it should be a T for the dunk and the official should have the scorer add the varsity player to the score book. Then it is a second T for the administrative penalty. I am having a hard time getting past the definition of "team member." I read the key language of 4-34-2 "including, but not limited to..." as referring to other non-players such as trainers, injured players not in uniform but sitting on the bench, etc. I do not see how it includes a varsity player who is not on the bench nor part of the JV team. But...there can be no doubt a varsity player is "affiliated" with the JV team. The irony is this came up at our board meeting on Thursday night, when the interpreter explained how this should be handled. And a ref I worked with on Sunday said he had the exact play in his game on Friday night. So the officials handled it as directed by the interpreter. But the JV coach was not happy that the opponents got to start the second half with four free throws and the ball. |
Sounds like it was handled right. I'm hoping the JV coach was unhappy with the player and himself, not the officials. It wasn't them who let the player on the floor in uniform and had him dunk.
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I'm in MA, and I've heard no such interpretation, either from the international organization or from the state board. I would be VERY reluctant to T the varsity player in that situation. I would prefer to simply move them off the court. In my humble opinion, I don't think the varsity player qualifies as bench personnel for the JV game.
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Just tell the varsity player to get off the court and move on. I would not give a T for a non-player dunking the ball when that player is not directly associated with the team. I think giving a T is looking for trouble.
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Are you asking how he knew? Two possibilities, at least. One, the JV's often are wearing different uniforms from the V squad. If not, then: two, a quick question at the table. |
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A1, suited up with warmup on dunks 14 minutes before the JV game is about to start. Since you're hesitant to T a varsity player in this situation, do you go & ask him which team he plays for? Or the table? Or JV coach A? What's your process to determine A1 is on the varsity squad & not the JV squad? |
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What if she says no? |
Chuck and JRut...
Why is there a rule requiring the officials to issue a T to a "player" dunking the ball during warm-ups? IMO...I could care less if the players dunk the ball while I'm on the court. In fact, I would like to see it...who doesn't like to see a dunk? But, it is not my decision...it is what the NFHS (and apparently the board interp) wants...a T. So back to the original question. For whatever reason NFHS does not want dunks during pregame. (Injuries, showing up officials, Sportsmanship issues, etc.) So why are you giving the "show off" Varsity player a free pass in the JV warm-ups, when you wouldn't in the V warm-ups? Also...not that it matters much...but, there could be some confusion in the crowd. Why are the officials letting this "player" dunk (penalty free), when they won't let the other "players" dunk? Looks inconsistent...IMO. |
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I'm just wondering how Chuck (and you) handle this in general. I see in your case you give him a warning. A warning for what? |
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