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The other post is correct also; the T shouldn't have been hugging the sideline if the ball was on the other side of the court. Can the OP come back and tell us approximately where the other 7 players were?
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Peek and rotate, not peek and referee! The OP hasn't said whether the Lead started to rotate or if he just came from the baseline opposite to make the call. I would also like to know where the nearest competitive matchup was and if there were any players between the L and the foul.
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Bottom line: Did they get it right?
Only thing different would be for the C to not run right beside the players. My experience is that I am either ahead of the players or behind. It would be a coincidence if I am exactly even. With traps and other things happening out there, it is not unusual to not see a hack or grab. Things happen so fast that I think it is unfair to tell someone that they should have "backed out." I wasn't there and I don't know exactly what the positions were and how it all came about.
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- and they will make an argument about the added expense when plays like this happen over and over again. Should those officials approach a game with this attitude or really work on focusing on their primary and getting open looks?
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My opinion on the play: I'm still not sure who was standing where but clearly the C was not in the best position and the T should have been ready to help. But I get nervous when people say "you should not be looking there". There's good enough reason for the L to keep tabs on where the C is if there's nothing else going on in his area - (not clear on what was going on by the basket btw, maybe the OP can clue us in on that too. BUT if the L was at the endline on the other side of the court he had better be absolutely positive and he had better come rushing in tooting that whistle like a lunatic. There are some calls that are game savers, if he got it right he's the hero if not he's the goat. Big time goat.
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When is the last (and only) time you called me "Tommy?" I see I've been letting you get away with too much since you are being all "mouthy." I will correct that soon enough!
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It sounds as though there are no players that need watching that are below the free-throw line extended. Why would Lead be clear down on the endlne? But let's say he is there, now he's got no competetive match-up in his primary, and he's using "wide eyes" to "see the whole floor" and lo and behold there's a trap developing on the far side of the floor. WHy wouldn't he immediately rotate to help out? Then once he's across, why wouldn't he take a step or two onto the floor to get an angle on the most important action? All of those adjustments by Lead could easily happen as the dribbler crosses the center line and the trap is closing in around him, eh? I agree with those that are invoking the presence of the OP. Where's a good OP when you need him!?!
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Since most of us don't know when the dribbler is going to pull up, I think most would have went at least another step past the dribbler. Unless...you see the trap coming. If the C was lower than the play, he would have seen the same thing the L saw.
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