Hand Checking

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by johnny1784

IMO, an Official's pre-game with team captains should only be about; sportsmanship, team colors, boundary's, direction of play, unusual floor conditions, and if possible or optional, a very brief summary of this years points of emphasis that pertain to the players (intentional fouls, free throws, sporting behavior(covered in sportsmanship)etc.

I'm sorry, I stopped paying attention somewhere around boundaries. Can I go back to warming up now?

[Forksref]

When defending the post and the ball is elsewhere, I warn, "Keep your hands off." Out front, on the ball, no warning if it affects the dribbler.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by johnny1784

You are correct.

Oh?

Can either of you tell me in what year's NFHS POEs I might find those statements? I can find the following in POEs going back to the 2000-01 rule book, but I can't seem to find anything anywhere remotely resembling your assertations above.

2001-02 NFHS Rule Book- POE 4A- verbatim- "Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the DRIBBLER".

2002-03 NFHS Rule Book- POE 4A- verbatim- "Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the DRIBBLER".

2003-03 NFHS Rule Book- POE2A5- verbatim- "Regardless where it takes place on the floor, when a player CONTINUOUSLY places a hand on the OPPOSING PLAYER, it is a foul.".

I await elucidation.

[JRutledge]

In the 2002-2003 Rulebook says at the bottom of Letter A. Hand checking, "Principles involved in incidental contact (Rule 4-27) apply!"

In the 2003-2004 Rulebook there is a POE with hand checking. Under Letter A, #1 it says, "Any tactic using the hands, arms or body that allows a player on offense or defense to "control" (hold, impede, push, divert, slow, or prevent) the movement of an opposing player is a foul."

Then #4 says under says, "Any act or tactic of illegal use of hands, arms or body (offense or defense) that intentionally slows, prevents, impedes the progress or displaces an opposing player due to the contact, is a foul and must be called."

So it seems that in at least two rulebooks the NF was going out of their way to make it clear that a simple touch was not a foul. Hand checking is not defined as touching.

Peace

[carldog]

I remember a line from last year's discussion of this topic, and it went something like this:

If placing hands on the dribbler does not give the defender an distinct Advantage...then why would he do so?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by carldog
I remember a line from last year's discussion of this topic, and it went something like this:

If placing hands on the dribbler does not give the defender an distinct Advantage...then why would he do so?

Hmm -- is the definition of "foul" something like "the defender gets and advantage" or is it something like "hinders the opponent's normal offensive or defensive maneuvers?"

[carldog]

I'm listening, Mr. Jenkins.

I get your point.