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MWI Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:25pm

Been getting a lot of "?", a nice way to put it, about hand checking. So how many call it "by the book" hand on FOUL.. Give me some advice.

OldCoachNewRef Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:31pm

I alwasy call it when it prevents North/South movement. Hardly ever call it going East/West (unless it displaces). I asked this my first year of the more senior refs, and that's what they said.

SmokeEater Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:36pm

I explain to the captains during the pregame meeting that I will give one warning about handchecking then it gets called every time after. Teh reason why I give the warning is because sometimes the captains fail to notify the rest of their team about it.


rainmaker Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:47pm

Any prolonged contact (more than just a "tag-up") or any displacement, regardless of direction. Except for the completely talentless freshman girl who has no chance of influencing the play, and doesn't even realize her hand is out there. For her, the call is only when the displacement is noticeable.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 14, 2005 01:02pm

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Originally posted by MWI
Been getting a lot of "?", a nice way to put it, about hand checking. So how many call it "by the book" hand on FOUL.. Give me some advice.
What part of the book says hand=foul?

I call it if it affects the offensive player.

I don't give warnings in the pre-game conference.


Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 14, 2005 01:15pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by MWI
Been getting a lot of "?", a nice way to put it, about hand checking. So how many call it "by the book" hand on FOUL.. Give me some advice.
What part of the book says hand=foul?

I call it if it affects the offensive player.

<font color = red>I don't give warnings in the pre-game conference.</font>


Amen. That means you never have to explain why you <b>didn't</b> call something that you warned 'em you'd be calling.

JRutledge Wed Dec 14, 2005 01:45pm

I do not know what by the book means either. The rules say and the POE have said that there has to be some affect on the dribbler. Simply touching is not a foul like many people think.

Peace

SmokeEater Wed Dec 14, 2005 02:06pm

No one asked what yall don't do. I agree with all comments here that when the contact affects the Play or player by displacement or limits movement it gets called.

JRutledge Wed Dec 14, 2005 02:27pm

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Originally posted by SmokeEater
No one asked what yall don't do. I agree with all comments here that when the contact affects the Play or player by displacement or limits movement it gets called.
That is exactly what the question was. He wanted to know what we call. He wanted to know if we called hand checking it by the book or some other philosophy. That is paraphrasing, but that was the question.

Peace

BIG O Wed Dec 14, 2005 04:15pm

"HAND CHECK"

Using it to slow/move your opponent. The main factor, calling it consistent through out the game with yourself and your partner(s).

Stat-Man Wed Dec 14, 2005 08:06pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I do not know what by the book means either. The rules say and the POE have said that there has to be some affect on the dribbler. Simply touching is not a foul like many people think.

Peace

ICBW, but I think there was an interpretation a few years back that said any touching of an opponent with a hand was supposed to be called as a foul.

Would be nice to see if that stance has since softened slightly.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 14, 2005 08:18pm

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Originally posted by Stat-Man
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Originally posted by JRutledge
I do not know what by the book means either. The rules say and the POE have said that there has to be some affect on the <font color = red>dribbler</font>. Simply touching is not a foul like many people think.

Peace

ICBW, but I think there was an interpretation a few years back that said any touching of an <font color = red>opponent</font> with a hand was supposed to be called as a foul.


I believe you're adding something that wasn't in any of the various POEs on handchecking. The POEs said that putting a hand on the <b>dribbler</b> was a foul. Putting a hand on an <b>opponent</b> without the ball <b>could</b> be a foul if some kind of advantage was gained. If no advantage was gained, it's just incidental contact. That's my understanding of the purpose and intent of this rule.

Rule 10-6-1 sez that contacting an opponent with your hand is legal if that contact is incidental to an attempt to play the ball also.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 14th, 2005 at 08:22 PM]

johnny1784 Wed Dec 14, 2005 09:16pm

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Originally posted by SmokeEater
I explain to the captains during the pregame meeting that I will give one warning about handchecking then it gets called every time after. Teh reason why I give the warning is because sometimes the captains fail to notify the rest of their team about it.


IMO, an Official's pre-game with team captains should only be about; sportsmanship, team colors, boundary's, direction of play, unusual floor conditions, and if possible or optional, a very brief summary of this years points of emphasis that pertain to the players (intentional fouls, free throws, sporting behavior(covered in sportsmanship)etc.

Hand checking is defined by the NCAA Rules as;

Men’s Hand-Checking Officiating Guidelines
Hand-checking by a player places an opponent at a disadvantage. It is a foul and must be called. In addition, hand-checking that is not curtailed can lead to rough play. To stop hand-checking, officials must address it at the beginning of the game, and fouls must be called consistently throughout the game.

Some guidelines for officials to use when officiating hand-checking:

1. When a defensive player keeps a hand or forearm on an opponent, it is a foul.
2. When a defensive player puts two hands on an opponent, it is a foul.
3. When a player continually jabs by extending his arms and placing a hand or forearm on an opponent, it is a foul.

ChuckElias Wed Dec 14, 2005 09:18pm

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Originally posted by Stat-Man
ICBW, but I think there was an interpretation a few years back that said any touching of an <font color = red>opponent</font> with a hand was supposed to be called as a foul.
You're absolutely right -- you really could be wrong. :)

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
The POEs said that putting a hand on the <b>dribbler</b> was a foul.
I'm not even sure that's right, JR. I think the POE said that placing a hand on the dribbler and leaving it there was a foul. Or repeatedly "measuring up". I don't think merely touching the dribbler was mentioned as an automatic foul.

johnny1784 Wed Dec 14, 2005 09:23pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Stat-Man
ICBW, but I think there was an interpretation a few years back that said any touching of an <font color = red>opponent</font> with a hand was supposed to be called as a foul.
You're absolutely right -- you really could be wrong. :)

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
The POEs said that putting a hand on the <b>dribbler</b> was a foul.
I'm not even sure that's right, JR. I think the POE said that placing a hand on the dribbler and leaving it there was a foul. Or repeatedly "measuring up". I don't think merely touching the dribbler was mentioned as an automatic foul.

You are correct.


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