Training

[gordon30307]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Sure it is. It doesn't exclude any gender or race. It's a physical job and the hiring parties can have minimum physical requirements if they're properly documented. They can't just pull them out of a hat to keep a new applicant out if they've not already had the requirements.

Like I alluded to above there are 300 lb. plus NFL lineman that can beat my *ss and yours down the court and by definition would be considered obese you mean to tell me that they're unable to ref a basketball game? That's bull**** and absolutely wrong IMO. I'm by no means an expert, but that organization is on a slippery slope and they better make sure that there insurance is paid up to date.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by gordon30307
Like I alluded to above there are 300 lb. plus NFL lineman that can beat my *ss and yours down the court

The day any 300 pound person can beat me down the court is the day I retire from officiating. If a 300 pound guy can beat you in an 80 ft sprint, you should not be on the court. I can't believe anybody would even argue against that.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Chess Ref
I agree with most of the advice given above. But one comment did trigger a reaction in me. The don't eat bread comment. This reeks of the low carb/Adkins diets.

Nope, definitely NOT low carb advice...although I know someone who lost 70 lbs on it but was a lot of work for him.

But in terms of dropping calories there are a ton of them in those 2 slices of wonder bread. I might as well have just said stop eating french fries, ice cream, whatever.

These things are the easy steps to take to see quick improvement without a signficant change in diet right off the bat.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

The day any 300 pound person can beat me down the court is the day I retire from officiating. If a 300 pound guy can beat you in an 80 ft sprint, you should not be on the court. I can't believe anybody would even argue against that.

We're not talking about just ANY 300 lbers.

The guys we're talking about specialize in sprinting.

[gordon30307]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

The day any 300 pound person can beat me down the court is the day I retire from officiating. If a 300 pound guy can beat you in an 80 ft sprint, you should not be on the court. I can't believe anybody would even argue against that.

You're missing the whole point of the post. No way should an organiztion impose a weight limit to determine the ability to officiate a game. There are obese guys that can do it and there are those that can't. When you impose such restrictions you are opening yourself to litigation. If I were on that board I would immediately resign so that I wouldn't be sued.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

The day any 300 pound person can beat me down the court is the day I retire from officiating. If a 300 pound guy can beat you in an 80 ft sprint, you should not be on the court. I can't believe anybody would even argue against that.

I'll match Larks against you in a race any day of the week.


The dude is agile, mobile and maybe a l'il hostile. I think the hostile part maybe comes from wearing that tutu to work.

[M&M Guy]

Ummm... so, Chuck, when's the retirement party?

Is it BYObp?

Is Larks the entertainment for the evening?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by gordon30307
You're missing the whole point of the post.

I'm not missing the point. I'm a very good reader, thank you. I was simply making a different point. Sorry to have let you down.

No way should an organiztion impose a weight limit to determine the ability to officiate a game.

I disagree. There comes a point where a person is unable to move sufficiently to get proper position to see the play. How are you going to officiate rebounding action if you're still in the backcourt? How can you officiate a drive to the basket on a fast break if you're the Lead official and you can only make it to the 28' line?

It's absurd to say that obesity doesn't hinder a person's ability to officiate well. I could ref a whole game by myself by standing at midcourt -- but I couldn't do it well.

If you're too fat to get into position, you shouldn't be on the court for two reasons. 1) You can't do your best job of officiating; and 2) The health risk that you're putting yourself in. JMO.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I'm not missing the point. I'm a very good reader, thank you. I was simply making a different point. Sorry to have let you down.

Someone's in a pissy mood. Must have seen the score of the NY-Baltimore game.

I disagree. There comes a point where a person is unable to move sufficiently to get proper position to see the play. How are you going to officiate rebounding action if you're still in the backcourt? How can you officiate a drive to the basket on a fast break if you're the Lead official and you can only make it to the 28' line?

It's absurd to say that obesity doesn't hinder a person's ability to officiate well. I could ref a whole game by myself by standing at midcourt -- but I couldn't do it well.

If you're too fat to get into position, you shouldn't be on the court for two reasons. 1) You can't do your best job of officiating; and 2) The health risk that you're putting yourself in. JMO.

Hey Chuck, go back & read the original post. We aint talking working 2 man D2 games. The guy wants to start working middle school games.

You know, 12 year olds? Running up & down 70 foot courts? Think back to those games...

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
We aint talking working 2 man D2 games. The guy wants to start working middle school games.

You know, 12 year olds? Running up & down 70 foot courts? Think back to those games...

I know. And I remember working with guys that were too heavy. But gordon's point is that it is unreasonable and perhaps illegal to set a weight standard for an official's association, and I simply disagree with that.

It's not unreasonable to have some non-arbitrary figure at which the association says, "You know what, we just don't think you can help us". I don't think that's unreasonable. What's the figure? I don't know. 30% above the AMA's recommended ideal weight? 40%? 50%? I don't know. But to dismiss such an idea as unreasonable is, I think, unreasonable.

And for M&M, the retirement party is definitely BYObp, b/c you won't find any at my house. Blech. I'll supply the Diet Coke -- as soon as any 300 pounder can beat me from endline to endline.

[Edited by ChuckElias on Sep 29th, 2005 at 08:26 PM]

[WhistlesAndStripes]

I referee Football and Basketball.

When Football season ended last October, I was a whopping 273 lbs. I decided it was time to start doing something about it.

Weight loss is really quite simple. Reduce your caloric intake and/or increase what you burn. For me, that meant a couple things. I started eating less at meals. I quit buying soda pop altogether. Cutting out those 1-2 or so 12 packs a week did wonders. Haven't bought a 12 pack since then. Do occasionally enjoy one with lunch, but that's about it.

I was getting a pretty good amount of exercise on the court, but knew I needed more. $300 of one of my fee checks in January went for a new treadmill. Great addition to the bedroom.

Once BB season ended, I knew I had to keep the exercise regimen up. The treadmill was great, but I needed more. I started bicycling just about everywhere I could, including work. Been doing that all summer long.

11 months and 58 lbs later, I'm down to 215. I still haven't hit my goal, but I know that I will. I'll be 200 by December 31st, and 185-190 by the end of the basketball season.

It's all about wanting to change your life and change yourself. I look back now and can't believe I ever let my weight soar to where it was. Want a little motivation--turn on NBC on Tuesday nights and check out The Biggest Loser. Massive weight loss is doable. Just don't expect it to happen overnight.

[Edited by Whistles & Stripes on Sep 29th, 2005 at 08:30 PM]

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
And for M&M, the retirement party is definitely BYObp, b/c you won't find any at my house. Blech. I'll supply the Diet Coke -- as soon as any 300 pounder can beat me from endline to endline.

Hey I've seen Chuck run & let me tell you all he can beat most 300 lb guys in a 100 foot dash!

btw...good job Whistle & Stripes!

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I'll supply the Diet Coke

Blech.

Diet Pepsi, please.

Oh, and btw - I do agree with you. It's probably not fair to arbitrarily pick a number and say you can't referee if you weigh more than that. But it certainly is fair to look at the "whole package" to determine if they can do the job. I believe UPS, for example, has a test to determine if package handlers can lift 50 pounds as part of their interview process. If they can't, they don't get the job. Does that mean UPS is discriminating against the weak? Or, perhaps they're discriminating against people without arms? Not hardly, because companies can still set basic standards for a specific job.

I've worked with a referee who was well over 250 lbs., but not any taller than me. And he was sweating profusely by the third trip down the court in a varsity boys 3-person game. And it planted that little thought in the back of my mind - what are we going to do if he keels over? And I know he got a little extra flak from the coaches because I'm sure they felt he was missing things by being a little slower up and down the court. So an overweight partner can affect the game in many different ways.

So, W&S - keep up the good work.

[Texas Aggie]

Chuck, 2 things:

1. Unless you run a 4.8/40 or better, I can line up a dozen or more 300 pounders, just from one or two area high schools, and likely 50 from Texas (age 17-25) easy that can beat you up and down the court. Not a slap at you; they can beat me too!

2. Forget 300 pounds. Most people think 250 is overweight for anyone under about 6'9". 8 years ago, at my peak physical state since about 18, I was 6 foot even (barely) and 230. 15% bodyfat, 46-7 inch chest, 36 inch waist, and I could touch the rim in basketball. I'm working now to get back to that area, only with about 12% bf (lots of running, which I didn't do any of then), but I'll likely be a little lighter -- say around 215. Anyway, that's still a high BMI, according to the charts. The only thing is, I'll run a 5K in 25 minutes. There are hundreds of thousands of 6 foot guys that are 210 or less (with BF %s in the high 20s or low 30s) that couldn't come close to that.

As one coach I had once said, it isn't what you weigh, its how you play.

Now, if you want to discuss a waist/chest size deficit in terms of guidelines, I'm all ears. But the scale is all but useless.

[Camron Rust]

There are exceptions to every standard but the typical 300# person is not going run fast or far. They present a poor image that reflects on the association.

Sure there are "large" atheletes that are very fit but they're not what we're talking about.