Weekend questions

[closely_guarded]

I survived working 6 games Fri. and 7 games Sat. in stifling heat. After realizing I was still alive and kickin' this AM, I have a couple questions and an observation:

1) GENERAL QUESTION: Ever call a lane violation that isn't your responsibility but your partner passes on it or else doesn't see it? I do this if it's obvious, but there's always the issue of stepping on partner's toes.

2) ACTUAL SITUATION: Another lane violation issue, first of two shots........I have a delayed violation with arm extended after a defensive player runs into his lane position about 2-3 secs. after shooter has ball. Violation was my area of responsibility. Partner apparently doesn't see my signal or understand it, steps in and takes ball from shooter, and resets the 2-shot situation. We have now in effect penalized the shooter. Coach rightfully complains, I talk to my partner at the next timeout. Question is, once partner has intervened (wrongfully), is there a remedy?

3) GENERAL OBSERVATION: The 3-second lane violation is the most misunderstood rule by fans and coaches. I heard fans screaming for 3 secs. and there wasn't even a player in the lane. I had a coach tell me a player was repeatedly in there for 5-6 secs. I'm thinking we probably wouldn't have missed that one.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by closely_guarded
2) ACTUAL SITUATION: Another lane violation issue, first of two shots........I have a delayed violation with arm extended after a defensive player runs into his lane position about 2-3 secs. after shooter has ball. Violation was my area of responsibility. Partner apparently doesn't see my signal or understand it, steps in and takes ball from shooter, and resets the 2-shot situation. We have now in effect penalized the shooter. Coach rightfully complains, I talk to my partner at the next timeout. Question is, once partner has intervened (wrongfully), is there a remedy?

I would treat this as if there had been a TO before the first FT. In other words, after giving the ball back to the shooter, the delayed violation would still be place. I can't find the case play right now, but I know it's in there somewhere.

[Camron Rust]

#2...I was going to reply and as I clicked reply, I see that Chuck said what I was going to say....

Violation still applies after the reset.

[Love this Game]

Chuck on #2 please show me where that is. It does make a lot of sense.

I have learnt that going in another persons areas could cause problems down the road if u have to work with them again.

Was this a two man or three man crew. I think that if i saw it the first time i would say to him hey i think i saw a violation, but if the second time it happens i would call it..

[ChrisSportsFan]

Regarding the 3 second call requests. Keep in mind that coaches and fans want any call made that will give their team another possession. I usually tell the kid to clear the lane and try to keep from making that call. If I've told the kid a couple of times and he's not moving or told him already over a couple of possessions, then it's time to call it. I don't want to chase kids out of the lane all game.

BTW, If coach tells you he's been in there for 5-6 seconds already, he's probably right because coaches rarely exaggurate.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I would treat this as if there had been a TO before the first FT. In other words, after giving the ball back to the shooter, the delayed violation would still be place. I can't find the case play right now, but I know it's in there somewhere.

I remember that was a NCAA-W interpretation that came out last year, but I don't remember seing it in NF books. It makes sense that the violation doesn't go away because there's a stoppage in play (other than a second violation, foul, etc.). Perhaps closely_guarded's partner thought they were just trying to be nice by re-setting the play after seeing the player step in. But, short of the problem being caused by the referee, I would still have the (delayed) violation.

As far as coaches and fans not knowing the rules, that's the first time I've heard that. In the last hour, at least.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by closely_guarded
3) GENERAL OBSERVATION: The 3-second lane violation is the most misunderstood rule by fans and coaches. I heard fans screaming for 3 secs. and there wasn't even a player in the lane. I had a coach tell me a player was repeatedly in there for 5-6 secs. I'm thinking we probably wouldn't have missed that one.

Actually, it's fairly easy to miss a 5 or 6 seconds violation if there's a lot of action and the ball is moving around a lot. To avoid the "repeatedly" accusation, you hear the coach the first time he complains (although don't acquiesce). Next time down, watch as carefully as possible. Then call it when you see it. If it doesn't happen, and coach keeps complaining, you need to have a short, terse response for the coach. "She's stepping out" "Above the free throw line is not in the key" "When she gains an advantage, I"ll call it." Often when the coahc complains loudly it solves the problem. The players hear it, and don't do it anymore.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Love this Game
Chuck on #2 please show me where that is. It does make a lot of sense.

Well, I'm not Chuck but I wanna be just like him when I grow up.

Try NFHS casebook play 6.7.5(a).

[tmp44]

Originally posted by closely_guarded
I survived working 6 games Fri. and 7 games Sat. in stifling heat. After realizing I was still alive and kickin' this AM, I have a couple questions and an observation:

You weren't at the Univ. of Pittsburgh camp were you???

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Try NFHS casebook play 6.7.5(a).

Thanks. I thought there was a case about taking a TO as well, but I can't find it. . .