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I saw part of the Suns/Spurs last game and a play got me thinking.
After a SA basket, the ball dropped to the floor and bounced up a few feet inbounds. Steve Nash kicked the ball to his teammate who was OOB under the basket and he executed the throw-in. I also saw a play in an AAU game this past weekend in which, again after a goal, the player who grabbed the ball out of the net tossed it to his OOB teammate who proceeded to punch it back to him. The OOB player never caught the ball. This served as the throw-in and the game continued. Now forget the NBA, and put both of these plays in an NFHS game. I was thinking that both of these actions are violations. Even though the kick occurs prior to the throw-in, the ball is certainly at the disposal of the throwing team and thus live. The fist is even worse as it occurred during the throw-in itself (or more precisely WAS the throw-in.) Would you make this call or look the other way? What are your thoughts? SECTION 4 TRAVEL, KICK, FIST A player shall not travel with the ball, as in 4-43, intentionally kick it, as in 4-29, strike it with the fist or cause it to enter and pass through the basket from below. NOTE: Kicking the ball is a violation only when it is an intentional act; accidentally striking the ball with the foot or leg is not a violation. PENALTY: The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation. 
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 01:36am
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 05:51am
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I'd slide down a razor blade bannister before I'd call either.
Gotta be better nits to pick than those.
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 08:55am
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I'd just warn them since there is no advantage.
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 09:47am
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I wouldn't call either, maybe just a warning. Both cases are just the player being lazy. Might come back to bite them though, if he/she isn't expecting a press sometime and punches the ball inbounds.
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 12:27pm
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I got nothing on either. To me to call the kick is a big stretch on the meaning of that rule. I got no problems with the punch.
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 12:54pm
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No call.
No warning. No way. No how. Anyone who would call either has no business officiating. JMHO
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 01:54pm
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I've got nothing too. If you start playing the little battles, it's going to turn into one big sh*t storm.
Side note: refnrev, good to see you back on the forum, haven't heard from you in a while.
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 05:34pm
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I wouldn't warn him that I would call it. But I might warn his coach that it is technically illegal and some over-zealous newbie official might think it needed to be called.
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Sat Jun 04, 2005, 08:06pm
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Doesn't it seem like to call either of these is being a little too involved in the game? I know we have all worked with guys (or ladies) who just seemed to be looking for things or just needed to be noticed a little too much. AT least I have.
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Sun Jun 05, 2005, 02:01am
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On the "kick", there is nothing to call. I can't think of any violation that can be committed during a dead ball.
On the "fist", it could technically be a violation but I'm not going to call it. That's not the purpose of the rule.
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