Visual Count Consistency

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

And if I'm a coach who is watching and counting your arm "wags" I'm going to be slightly more than a little pi$$ed when you count 8 and call a 10-second violation.

Do you swing your arms 4 times on a five-second closely guarded call, too?

I'm with you Rich, he's gonna be mad if he gets discounted on arm swings. But why in the world would he be watching your arm swings when his team can't get the ball across half-court? I suppose he could be watching on an inbound play or closely guarded situation.

[bgtg19]

Originally posted by JRutledge

I do not actually turn on the oven part of the microwave, just the timer.

I actually *do* turn on the oven, but not for the purpose of practicing my counts! I turn on the oven to ... heat up food, including my daily morning oatmeal (yum!). But, since the oven is going, I might as well get a second use (practicing counts) out of it!

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by bgtg19

I actually *do* turn on the oven, but not for the purpose of practicing my counts! I turn on the oven to ... heat up food, including my daily morning oatmeal (yum!). But, since the oven is going, I might as well get a second use (practicing counts) out of it!

That reminds me of the stories of how the Native Americans made sure to use all the parts of a buffalo one they made a kill.

[Junker]

I'm with almost everyone else in that a slow count is better than a fast one. I work on my count in lower level games. When there is not pressure, keep an eye on the clock while a player brings the ball up. It worked well for me.

[ref18]

Originally posted by zebraman

So let's say Team A calls a time-out again and Team B notices that 12 seconds went off the clock and the official didn't call a 10-second violation. You aren't any better off in that situation for having counted slow as you are if you the official counted too fast. Each official should just try to be as accurate as possible.

Z

I've seen this happen, the official said his count only reached nine, so he reset the clock as if only 9 seconds had elapsed. A little bit unorthodox, and it showed that this official was quite good at thinking on his feet. Although it's not what I would've done, it was pretty cool.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ref18
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I've seen this happen, the official said his count only reached nine, so he reset the clock as if only 9 seconds had elapsed. A little bit unorthodox, and it showed that this official was quite good at thinking on his feet. Although it's not what I would've done, it was pretty cool. [/B][/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the rules don't allow the official to use that procedure. He was wrong.

The direction is given in casebook play 5.10.1SitC--"If the count was not accurate or was not made, it cannot be corrected. There is no provision for the correction of an error made in the official's accuracy in counting seconds".

Iow, uncool.

[ref18]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I've seen this happen, the official said his count only reached nine, so he reset the clock as if only 9 seconds had elapsed. A little bit unorthodox, and it showed that this official was quite good at thinking on his feet. Although it's not what I would've done, it was pretty cool. [/B]

Unfortunately, the rules don't allow the official to use that procedure. He was wrong.

The direction is given in casebook play 5.10.1SitC--"If the count was not accurate or was not made, it cannot be corrected. There is no provision for the correction of an error made in the official's accuracy in counting seconds".

Iow, uncool. [/B][/QUOTE]

As I said, it's not what I would've done, I would've first explained to the coach that the game clock starts on the touch, and the 10 second count starts when backcourt control is established. That would probably eat up one second, and then explain the second worth of lag-time for the timer. So in the end, 11 off the clock = 9 for the 10 second count.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

And if I'm a coach who is watching and counting your arm "wags" I'm going to be slightly more than a little pi$$ed when you count 8 and call a 10-second violation.

Do you swing your arms 4 times on a five-second closely guarded call, too?

Rich,

A team gets 10 seconds to get the ball across and if I can use the clock for an accurate 10, then I am going to use it. If I can't grab the clock then they will get 10 arm wags. I don't kmow many coaches that are making major decisions on the number of arm wags that I have made. If the coach gets pissed, then he'll just have to get pissed.

I have not incorporated the clock on my closely guarded
counts. I'm not that good.

Mulk

[Rich]

Originally posted by ronny mulkey

Rich,

A team gets 10 seconds to get the ball across and if I can use the clock for an accurate 10, then I am going to use it. If I can't grab the clock then they will get 10 arm wags. I don't kmow many coaches that are making major decisions on the number of arm wags that I have made. If the coach gets pissed, then he'll just have to get pissed.

I have not incorporated the clock on my closely guarded
counts. I'm not that good.

Mulk

As long as you know you're not doing it the right way....

[ronny mulkey]

as long as you can keep those arm wag counting coaches happy..

[Mark Dexter]

10 is best, but it would be better to have 12 than to have 8.

Similarly, go for 5 - otherwise 6 is better than 4.

I found that I've worked the clock & shot clock for so long that my counts are pretty accurate (when working the shot clock, I can actually count it down in my head from 30/35 to 0). Just concentrate a bit more on the clock the next time you watch a game on TV - you might be surprised at how long/short certain things take.

[blindzebra]

I practice all the time with the microwave timer.

I use 5 or 10 full arm swings chest to full extension and back to chest, so all my counts are 5 and a half and 10 and a half.

It seems to work because every time I've had a 5 or 10 second violation on tape it has always been right on the second to slightly beyond.

[Camron Rust]

What ever method you use to practice a count, be aware that the pace and intensity of a game will probably be a little higher than watching oatmeal cook. I seen people who's count vary with the intensity of the action.

[Edited by Camron Rust on Feb 10th, 2005 at 12:41 PM]

[ronny mulkey]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
What ever method you use practice to practice a count, be aware that the pace and intensity of a game will probably be a little higher than watching oatmeal cook. I seen people who's count vary with the intensity of the action.

That is why you need cruise control during sex while driving......

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
What ever method you use practice to practice a count, be aware that the pace and intensity of a game will probably be a little higher than watching oatmeal cook. I seen people who's count vary with the intensity of the action.

That's something I also wanted to emphasize. Other than being that ref, there's nothing worse than watching a rather good official whose count for one second is about 1 second long, but whose count gets shortened to about half a second for the fifth second.