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I think you would treat this situation just like you were in a gym with multiple courts. Players stop because of a whistle from another court, then stop play and resume play where the action was stopped. Of course I agree -- no T. So I would also wave off the basket and give it to the kids on the side line. It seems that due to the "inadvertant" shistle that there was a definate disadvantage to the defense.
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We gave up a lay-up to a team that had six players on the court and we were in man. Ref noticed after bucket was scored. The tech was for too many players, the points count because it was only addressed after the bucket.
Not sure why this is different. If coach had whistled and everybody played on, you call nothing. Coach whistled, player drives past a lax defense, points are scored, and you go, "oh dexter!" and feel you have to do something about it. Discussion, T. So I guess you can use the rules to argue either point. |
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Dribbler gets fouled, takes one dribble, picks up the ball and shoots. Then you blow the whistle for the foul. Either you wave off the shot or you declare an inadvertant whistle. He can't get the foul and the shot. The same applies here. If a T is called at all, the shot can't be counted because the ball was already dead when the T occurred, not when the whistle is blown. If you don't call the T, however, the rules only support bucket counting since the ball was live. Fairness, however, suggests that perhaps it shouldn't.
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Coaches have been whistling at their players since the game was invented. I've never heard of a coach being assessed a T for it. |
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[/B][/QUOTE]Sure you have. At 8:23am this morning. |
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I agree with most here that a T on the Coach for whistling is a stretch...OK, "unjustifiable".
BUT, if it was in MTD's judgement that the whistle was indeed unsporting and the bucket was made because of this unsporting act, why not take the points off the board? EXAMPLE: If the Coach commited an unsporting act, such as throwing a chair on the court, and the defender had to dodge the flying chair thus, allowing the dribbler to make the basket...wouldn't you cancel the basket because of the unsporting act in this case?
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I see a HUGE difference when a player runs on the court during a live ball. For one, it is more obvious; two, you can't do any preventive officiating. However, if I had a player run on the floor as a drive or shot was in progress, I am counting the basket (unless A6 just caught the pass and was shooting) then giving a T.
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Luckily I have not experienced a whistling coach. What I would probably do would depend on reaction of the players (almost like an inadvertant horn going during play). If the defense or offence stops playing in some way I may blow it dead and resume with a throw in from the closest spot out of bounds. I would not allow subs unless it were for an injured player. If it were a coach whistling that interrupts a play, I might give the coach a warning. I say might because if he is interrupting a breakaway opportunity I most likely will whack him with a T. If a player travelled because he thought the whistle went - blow it dead and give it back to his/her team. Really how hard is it to use hand signals to call specific offences/defences. I think my University coach had coloured pieces of construction paper for calling the Blue or Green defences. |
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If a player travelled because he thought the whistle went - blow it dead and give it back to his/her team. [/B][/QUOTE]What rule are you using to back up either of these proposed actions? |
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