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I'm pretty sure there would be contact on the attempt so I'd have 3 throws for that foul and 2 for the Tech for coming off the bench / illegal substitution / 6 players on the court or whatever flavor you want to call it. First have A1 shoot the 3 and then any member of A can shoot the T. If there was no contact, or even close to no contact, I'm not sure what I'd do. First, if I noticed it right away I guess I'd issue the T. Put some time on the clock if it's more than 1 second, and give them another chance by inbounding at the d-line. One of those two scenarios would have to fit. I just don't see it physically happening, B6 coming from in front of the table to block a shot after it was released without it even being close to contact. If he's such a good leaper, why isn't he in the game in the first place?
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This is why I was thinking about not continuing to referee after this year. One person thinks there opinion is the only one that counts and just because they have more years ( I have 9 years) they are right. I am the most Junior official in my association, and not age wise either. We keep losing our new official because of the attitude that only one opinion counts. I can count on one hand the amount of officials in my area that are ready for Varsity HS ball. I have seen about 12 new referees come and go after one season.
If someones opinion is so great, their opinion is the only interpretation that is correct, then they should be doing it for the NCAA commitee or the NBA. This post probably wont last...But I got to say my peace! AK ref SE |
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http://www.officialforum.com/thread/7209 There was also a similar topic raised by "crew" in one of his GPS threads, but I can't locate it. . .
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If you want a rules reference, use 2-3 which says, "The referee shall make decisions on any point not specifically covered in the rules." This situation is no where in the casebook and it does not say where it is in the rulebook on how to handle this. So if this happens (which no on says it has), I am doing what I feel is best. And JR and Mark can argue until the cows come home. I am sure neither live in the same place and what decisions they make are not going to matter what the other individual thinks. And if that kind of thing ruffles your feathers, then you were not committed to officiating in the first place. Please do not take this as an attack, but to complain what someone thinks as the reason to stop officiating (when they live no where near you), you were not committed in the first place. If you stay in, we would love to have you. But there are guys every year that drop out. You will not be the first and certainly will not be the last. Peace
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Your right I have lost my desire. My point about the one opinion is always right is directed at my local area. But my post is in general about the attitude! And certain people wonder why we cant keep new officials! AK ref SE |
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[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 29th, 2003 at 01:20 PM] [/B][/QUOTE] From reading the original post, I am going to assume that the poster wants the game officials to see B6 illegally enter the court. No lets break down the play. B6's illegally entering the court is a technical foul and the ball is dead immediately unless A1 is in the act of shooting or A1 has already released the ball for a try, then that ball does not become dead until the try is made or missed (continuous motion applies for these two conditions) or some other act causes the ball to become dead. If an attempt or try is not involved in the play then the ball is dead and there cannot be a technical foul for more that five players on the court because the officials have already stopped the game for B6 illegally entering the court. The ball is dead (NFHS R6-S7-A7), play is stopped. Why would the game officials want to complicate the play by charging Team B with a technical foul for having six players on the court when the game has already been stopped for B6's technical foul for illegally entering the game. The ball remained alive because of the attempt, therefore charge B6 with a second technical foul for blocking A1's try (unsportsmanlike conduct).
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Hold on a minute. I never said that you could not have two technical fouls. I agree that there are and should be two technical fouls. And they are illegally entering the court and unsportsmanlike conduct. It a very big stretch to charge Team B with a technical foul for six players on the court too. Remember, if the officials saw B6 enter the court illegally, then the ball is dead per NFHS R6-S7-A7.
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I think a more likely non-foul scenario has B6 stealing the ball on a break-a-way rather than blocking a shot. Regardless, I've got two T's, and I fail to see the importance of how I got there. Technically, if the ball is dead, I'm not sure how you could justify an "unsporting act" if you can't justify blowing them for illegal entry AND playing with 6. Adam |
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